Viader Vineyards

• November 2009

  Interesting ... I've had some Meritage wines from Niagara peninsula where the ... Dare Cab Franc from Viader. Love their wines: http://www.snooth.com/wine/viader-cabernet-franc-dare-2005

  Forum post in the topic Cabernet Franc by HondaJohn

  
  
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  October 2009

  Viader Syrah Howell Mountain Napa 2002

  Snoothrank: Starting at $47^.99

  Very reliable wine. We had a second bottle and it was just as impressive as the first one we had.

  Wine review by Fengze

  
  
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  October 2009

  Viader Dare Cab Franc California Wine 2005

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  This is one of the best, smoothest and, flavorful wines available in the United States. I would recommend this wine and think it could be best in show amongst all Cabs.

  Wine review by amt8415tp

  
  
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  October 2009

  Viader Vineyards Proprietary 2000

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  2004 through 2012

  Wine review by Vinoding

  
  
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  September 2009

  Viader Napa 2004

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  A beautiful wine with a wonderful story! If you are in the area, make sure to ... on the porch overlooking the Viader vineyards

  Wine review by ashandmike

  
  

• September 2009

  Thanks for the input ... Napa is definitely Cab heavy so you're headed to the ... are pretty full body reds - Viader - more focus on Cab Franc which is nice and have wines at both your price points. Their DARE label is a little more accessible. - Pine Ridge - Across from Stags... Read moreThanks for the input ... Napa is definitely Cab heavy so you're headed to the ... are pretty full body reds - Viader - more focus on Cab Franc which is nice and have wines at both your price points. Their DARE label is a little more accessible. - Pine Ridge - Across from Stags Leap Cellars is a nice option to the traditional name in the Stags Leap District - Larkmead - as I mentioned in a previous post, I want to support fellow Snoother Dan Petroski but I love the wines so I think it is a great idea to visit. - Vincent Arroyo - a lot of focus on Petite Syrah which is about as big and bold as you can get. But they have some other nice blends - Honig - not quite as bold but solid wines in my opinion. There everyday cab is great but there limited bottlings are awesome and they fit right into your price range. - Louis M. Martini - even though they are part of the Gallo Group, I really like their wines. Get there early before it gets too crazy. I love the Los Ninos but there are a few other great cabs there. - Spottswoode is a great place to go but can be tough to get in and they are a bit pricy - Joseph Phelps is one of my fall backs and I love the view from their patio. So, now you have a ton of recommendations. I'm sure you will have a great time and taste a lot of great wines with whatever places you decide to go to    (hide)

  Forum post in the topic I am headed to Napa at the... by HondaJohn

  
  

• September 2009

  Oh yeah ... one other that I like a lot and is off the beaten path is VIADER.

  Forum post in the topic Labor Day Weekend in Napa... by HondaJohn

  
  

• August 2009

  Greg - I think discrimination is the issue. The 83 Boyd is 88 points as one of ... on the 06 too. And here's Viader. Not as much history because it's a newer winery. 90 - 91pts 92 - 88 93 - 89 94 - 93 95 - 92 97 - 97 99 - 94 00 - 92 01 - 94 02 - 92 Yet a third critic but he's... Read moreGreg - I think discrimination is the issue. The 83 Boyd is 88 points as one of ... on the 06 too. And here's Viader. Not as much history because it's a newer winery. 90 - 91pts 92 - 88 93 - 89 94 - 93 95 - 92 97 - 97 99 - 94 00 - 92 01 - 94 02 - 92 Yet a third critic but he's been there for all of these vintages. What's interesting is that his enthusiasm seemed to peak at the 1999 vintage in Napa, after which he became increasingly cranky. He loved the 1997 and then almost uniquely, rated the 1999 at least as good overall, although this particular wine didn't fare as well. Viader was almost a kind of cult wine in the 90s but now it's less hyped. However, it's got a good shot of cab franc in it and I think that's why it continues to get high points from WS, because his palate has definitely changed. I actually like his rankings these days more than in the past. He has pulled back in general, which I think was not a bad idea. As far as grade inflation goes, I tended to think that there was some inflation but now, looking at these, I'm not 100% sure about that. I think there's a fifteen point scale for most critics -82 to 97. Very few wines score 100 and very few score much below 82 these days. Partly that's because winemaking really is much better. Competition works. Also I think it's because wines scoring really low are simply not reported. In the few cases where they are, as in the BV George de la Tour getting a highly publicized 69, it was to make a point and punish them rather than actually rate the wine. Phillip - I don't know if it's quite as simple as you suggest. For a few reasons. Critics publish reviews and customers look for the high points as guidance on what to buy. Some people read the low points, but nobody is going to act on those. So the service to the customer is the guidance, which means publishing notes on the better wines. There are many more good wines today than 30 years ago, so with a larger universe, we are likely to see more positive reviews. I doubt that the critics are going to worry about getting wine. When Parker started, he just bought the wines and many many bloggers do that today, as well as many newspapers, etc. When one becomes prominent, wineries and distributors start sending samples, but it's not necessarily the make-or-break issue for the critic so much as meeting the needs of the readers is. However, the main and true beneficiary of the scores is the vendor, whether retailer or wholesaler. The most important critic in the US market, bar none, is Robert Parker. I know a few people who love wine but only a few subscribe to his publication, especially now that it's available on the web. Some do of course, but they're a fraction of the wine buying market. However, probably 75 percent of the stores in NYC and probably a much higher percentage, as well as nearly every distributor and importer, subscribes. Why? Scores move product. When Joe Average walks into a store, he figures they're trying to sell him something, so when sees 90 points from some third party, he trusts it. Parker reviews a lot of wine and he rules the top end and those shelf-talkers move product. He could probably refuse all freebies and double or triple his price, and he would still keep his circulation in the trade. Meanwhile, most other magazines tend to be more consumer-oriented with livestlye articles and recipes and fewer wines covered. If they stopped receiving wine, they'd likely survive anyhow on the other stuff. In any event, I don't think there's anything wrong with the 100 point system, nor do I think it's quite as scientific as it may seem. It allows you a finer gradient than say, five stars, while on the other hand I don't think anyone can tell the difference between a 91 and 92 and 93 point wine with any consistency. Finally, I think there are more people with less knowledge writing about wine these days. People who've been drinking wine for three or four years are blogging about it and giving scores out, people who have decided that they only like this or that type of wine are also blogging about it and giving scores out, people who try maybe a hundred or so wines a year are blogging about it and giving scores out, magazines and newspapers are filling space with articles on wine every once in a while, and so on. I care less about grade inflation from someone who's been in the business for thirty years than I am bothered by some yo-yo who fancies himself or herself an expert and offers useless opinions on subjects unknown    (hide)

  Forum post in the topic Are scores getting higher? by GregT

  
  
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  July 2009

  Dare By Viader Cabernet Franc Napa Valley 2004

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  No written review

  Wine review by kbjaco

  
  
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  June 2009

  Dare From Viader Temprani 2005

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  Interesting nose with some cedar, cigar box, and black fruit notes. On the palate, medium to full bodied. Good acidity. Tannins aren't too high. Alcohol is not overbearing. Flavors are almost identical as the nose. California tempranillo? Not nearly as obnoxious as I feared it... Read moreInteresting nose with some cedar, cigar box, and black fruit notes. On the palate, medium to full bodied. Good acidity. Tannins aren't too high. Alcohol is not overbearing. Flavors are almost identical as the nose. California tempranillo? Not nearly as obnoxious as I feared it could be.    (hide)

  Wine review by happyrobot

  
  

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