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Snooth User: jamessulis

Wines not available locally

Posted by jamessulis, Sep 27, 2010.

Seeing some of the wines rated by Snooth certainly excites the palate but mostly to no avail because these wines are not available locally.  Washington State (where I live) will have a proposition on the upcoming ballots that will put beer, wine and hard stuff where it belongs, on the free retail market.  Currently we have government stores for hard liquor.  Beer and wine are at local food stores, supermarkets, chain food stores and some at Walgreens but it's still local wines from Washington, Oregon and California which is not bad but the state is really sectioned off as to what region of each state gets to sell the wine.  For Oregon, we get Willamette Valley, Hood River, for Washington we get Columbia Valley, Yakima and for California, we get Sonoma and Napa Valley. Now thats not bad but there are some other wines from around the country that I would love to purchase. One of my disappointments is no wine from Walla Walla, Wa where reds rule.

I'm hoping that when wine goes on the retail market it becomes more competitive and that the stores will widen their geographical boundaries. I'm sure the local ones will remain but possibly the others that are elsewhere will spend the money by shippng large lots of their wines to states that are now out of their range of profitability

The alternate is to purchase it on line which is a consideration I have but only on occasion due to the US Postage/shipping and handling being kind of spendy.

Lefty - The Great Pacific Northwest

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Reply by dmcker, Sep 27, 2010.

A potentially interesting topic. But not clear about how what regions of WA, etc. production are allocated to what regions for marketing. More detail would be good.

And Walla Walla does fall within the Columbia Valley, though there are subregions, or so I understand, anyway.

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Reply by GregT, Sep 27, 2010.

I think you can get wine from retailers shipped to WA, no?  At least several out here say they ship to WA.  And the shipping isn't that expensive because oddly enough, sometimes wine prices out here are cheaper than they are in CA, OR, or WA, for wines that come from those states.

At any rate, for a case, it's anywhere from $25 - $36.  So if you're buying a wine that's $25 or so, and you're not paying sales tax, the cost is roughly the same whether you ship or not.  So only make case purchases - you don't have to buy 12 of the same wine, and you're in good shape.  It's how I do most of my shopping if I'm buying retail for myself.

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Reply by jamessulis, Sep 28, 2010.

Although Walla Walla does fall within the Columbia Valley, they must ship elsewhere as they are lean on the Portland Or and Vancouver, Wa wine shelves.  Maybe the Walla Wallawers are drinking it all in Walla Walla?

Retailers do ship to Washington and that is one of my upcoming considerations.  However what prevents me from doing that is that I love to shop, pick up the bottle, read the label then go home with my hot purchase. It's the thrill of the hunt that makes it fun.

I understand some of the larger retailers can get a particular wine if you request it.  A friend of mine said they asked a retailer (Fred Meyer Groceries) for a particular wine that they didn't stock.  They ordered it for her, called her on the phone and she came and picked it up..............special? Dunno.

Lefty - The Great Pacific Northwest

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Reply by Lucha Vino, Sep 29, 2010.

Lefty,

I have plenty of access to Walla Walla wines in Seattle at two different wine shops.  One is huge - Esquin.  One is a small neighborhood shop - Corky Cellars.  I have also seen Walla Walla wines at Costco.

Perhaps, the issue with Walla Walla wines is the price point is higher than grocery stores want to stock.  Or maybe it is distribution channels.  Many of the wineries are smaller operations so their wines may not be available through the big distributors that the Grocery stores use.

Good luck with your search.  The Walla Walla wines are definitely worth the effort to track down!

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Reply by napagirl68, Sep 29, 2010.

Ok Lefty and Vellovino,

I am INTERESTED in Walla walla but not tasted yet.  Give me some recommendations, Please?

And what about personal shipping from wineries... many will work with you, and you are not too far from CA .....

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Reply by napagirl68, Sep 29, 2010.

also.. forgot to mention.. try  KLwines.com

They have a great inventory, and even though they are only ~40min away, I still do mail order with them.

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Reply by dmcker, Sep 29, 2010.

NG, here's a short but useful Forum thread:

Walla Walla Wine Trip

Also try Avalon Wine and Oregon Pinot Noir Club. They're very good online merchants covering Oregon and Washington wines.

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Reply by jamessulis, Sep 29, 2010.

Great threads, super response ...............enriches my association with Snooth.!!

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Reply by Lucha Vino, Sep 29, 2010.

NapaGirl,

Here are some Walla Walla wineries that I like:

 

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Reply by napagirl68, Sep 30, 2010.

Thank you Dmcker, vellovino, and Lefty!

I would love to take a trip up to Walla Walla someday, also for the food.. I am a big Farm to Table kinda gal.

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Reply by rckr1951, Sep 29.

Went to place a delivery date on some wines I'd paid for KL Wines and found out that neither UPS nor FEDEX will ship to Wisconsin any more.  Some regulation that they've been worried about finally got to them both.  UPS stopped several months ago and FEDEX as of this week.

Couldn't get a clear answer from KL Wines and they've got a lot of po'd customers.  Stopped shiping to 5 states this week.  Really inhibits my buying capabilities.  I've Kl for 20 yrs and a couple of others in Ca for 10+.  No more I guess.

Got to find a place that the 2014 Leoville Barton and can ship it.

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Reply by dmcker, Sep 29.

Well that blows. 

Letter to your Congressperson?  ;-(

Partner-in-crime 3rd party who'll trans-ship to you? Besides private individuals there are services in CA and elsewhere that'll collect all your 'mail'orders from around the States at their site and after aggregating them, or not, then ship them overseas to Japan, etc. Why not to the further reaches of Wisconsin as well? Maybe this is even an entrepreneurial opportunity? ;-)

Road trip??

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Reply by rckr1951, Sep 29.

I've thinking about having the wines shipped to some in Ca or other places that are still good and send it to me directly - easy enough to ship if you don't mind a little subterfuge. 

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Reply by Really Big Al, Sep 30.

Lefty, we have tasted wines in Oregon on several trips to the west coast (2013, 2016), and this year we even visited Washington along with Oregon.  The reds in the Red Mountain AVA of Washington were the best red blends in our opinion.  I hope you can gain access to them.  We did join Long Shadows Vineyards from our trip this past March.

In Virginia, we too have the state run ABC stores for hard liquor.  Beer and wine can be found almost everywhere, except McDonalds and Taco Bell.  Total Wine stores are out here but I tend to go to smaller retailers of wine for wines that you won't find in most places.  We also belong to a dozen wine clubs, most from the west coast.  Some of the shipping cost is offset by the lack of sales tax.

 

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Reply by EMark, Oct 2.

I'm glad that I live in a clear thinking state.

It's interesting Paul that in your state you can receive shipments directly from wineries but not from retailers. Somebody in WI has made sure that their turf is protected.  In fact I'm a bit surprised that they allow winery direct-to-consumer shipments.

Al, are you saying that VA does have a sales tax that is not collected by on-line vendors?  CA has really cracked down on that.  I'm pretty sure that every Amazon order that Mrs. EMark submits gets CA sales tax added onto it.

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Reply by rckr1951, Oct 2.

EMARK - That's the one itwm that confuses me also, although there are few wineries here that it ,ight matter to.  The laws that allowed this to happen (delivering retailer to consumer) in Wi and the other4 states this occurred in haven't changed to my knowledge.

I've talked with several people that have followed this on the retail end and although they think it be an up tick in business, they also realize that with the limits they can provide, it puts people out of the loop of what they can enjoy - they are upset with that because they order also.

KL Wines contacted me later and said that they working with a company to ship wine in bulk to Wisconsin and other states.  It will take longer and the shipping costs will be a little higher than FEDEX ground.  Orders can only be done over the phone.  Winter up here will be hard.  

With no air carrier all orders will remain in Ca. until spring unless things change.  The way our state government works - that could be years.

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Reply by Really Big Al, Oct 2.

EM - Some vendors charge sales tax when shipping to VA.  If they have a connection to a store in VA, then they charge sales tax (like Total Wine).  I don't think all of the wineries charge us sales tax, but some do.  I just asked Sandra and she doesn't remember.  Oh well.

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Reply by EMark, Oct 2.

 If they have a connection to a store in VA, then they charge sales tax (like Total Wine). 

That makes sense.  Amazon tried to make a stink about collecting CA sales tax.  Then they decided they would also like to build some big distribution centers here.  Suddenly, they were conviced that they should be good California corporate citizens.

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Reply by Diego Andrés Díaz, Oct 2.

I love when you guys bring a dead post back from the dead. 

I have a little question, What is the best state to buy wine and liquor, both in brick and mortar stores and online?

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Reply by EMark, Oct 2.

Diego, a few years ago somebody posted a link to a report that discusses your very question.  I was able to download that report and have in a .pdf file, but I can't attach it here.  Here is a summary of the report:

https://www.winebusiness.com/news/?go=getArticle&dataid=120139

None of the links to the American Wine Consumer Coalition (report author) seem to work anymore.

I can also add that California, District of Columbia, Missouri, Nebraska, New Hampshire, Oregon and Virginia were the highest rated states.  All of them:

  • Allow winery-to-consumer shipping
  • Allow retailer-to consumer shipping
  • Do not have government control of wine sales
  • Allow Sunday sales of wine
  • Allow wine sold in grocery stores.
  • Allow BYO/corkage in restaurants

 

 

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