Wine Talk

Snooth User: dirkwdeyoung

Why is wine so damn important?

Posted by dirkwdeyoung, Jan 16, 2010.

Well, I have got a few ideas, but I bet you snoothers can come up with a lot of interesting angles on this question.

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Reply by amour, Jan 16, 2010.

First of all, WINE is the most pleasant and interesting subject on the face of the earth !

Its associations are with occasions when people are in fine fettle...in good spirits or
at least wanting to be in fine spirits ! WINE is accompanied by relaxation, contentment, leisurely meals or snacks and of course a free flow of ideas, as we
never lack for on SNOOTH !!

And like LAW, so many subjects lie within the territory of WINE :
(WINE'S SCOPE IS NEVER-ENDING.....)

GEOGRAPHY
TOPOGRAPHY
HISTORY
TASTE
TRAVEL

BOTANY
CHEMISTRY
OTHER SCIENCES
AGRICULTURE

ECONOMICS
CARPENTRY
LIKE ART, WINE BRINGS TOGETHER PEOPLE, IDEAS, INCIDENTS, LOCATIONS,
SENTIMENTS, SENSATIONS, THE MIGHTY AND THE SMALL AND THE MEDIUM,
MAKING THEM ALL LARGER THAN LIFE ITSELF !

WINE IS IMMENSELY LIFE- ENHANCING !

For fear that I may well become a serious WINE BORE (WHAT IS THAT ????)
I WILL NOW CLOSE !!!! CHEERS...amour.

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Reply by amour, Jan 16, 2010.

AND BY THE WAY......
Did you know that that terrible creature called PHYLLOXERA is a native of
THE EASTERN UNITED STATES......

IT FOUND ITS WAY TO FRANCE IN THE 1860's....

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Reply by TerriF, Jan 16, 2010.

Amour has really expressed it so very well!! Now that wine is in my life, I cannot imagine life without it....terrible thought, lol :)))

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Reply by amour, Jan 16, 2010.

NOT TERRIBLE MY DEAR !!
YOU HAVE THE AGE REQUIREMENT !
YOU ARE COMPLYING AND LIVING BY THE LAW !!!!

NEED I SAY MORE!!

CHEERS !!!! I AM DRINKING A HUMBLE WINE FOR A CHANGE !!!!
WHAT?.....IT IS FROM CHILE....INEXPENSIVE...
It is called......CARMEN RESERVE PETITE SIRAH from VALLE del MAIPO

FULL OF VIOLETS and VANILLA and CHOCOLATE....DARK CHOCOLATE AND OH!!! SO VERY VELVETY !!!!!
C H EE R SSSSSSSSSS!!!!!

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Reply by dirkwdeyoung, Jan 16, 2010.

Just for the fun of it:

Google Results:

Love: Web Results about 129,000,000
France: Web Results about 95,200,000
Art: Web Results about 78,800,000
USA: Web Results about 72,400,000
Food: Web Results of about 59,400,000
Italy: Web Results of about 45,400,000
Politics: Web Results of about 26,000,000
Drink: Web Results of about 18,900,000
Wine: Web Results of about 15,700,000
Coffee: Web Results of about 15,700,000 (believe it or not)
Beer: Web Results of about 9,370,000
McDonalds: Web Results of about 3,220,000
Pepsi: Web Results of about 2,560,000

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Reply by gregt, Jan 16, 2010.

dirkwdeyoung, - Wine isn't any more or less important than anything else. If you like it, it's important. If you don't care about it, it's not. Apparently you like it, so it's important to you. I like it too but other people like Oprah, American Idol, soccer games, and all kinds of other stuff that's simply a matter of profound indifference to me.

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Reply by dirkwdeyoung, Jan 16, 2010.

GretT

I'm with you except for the soccer games!

Cheers

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Reply by galleyho, Jan 17, 2010.

None other than Jesus Christ chose it to be representative of his blood; now just how important can an earthly substance get?

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Reply by DougRA, Jan 17, 2010.

PERFECT!

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Reply by dirkwdeyoung, Jan 17, 2010.

galleyho, indeed, also my personal opinion is that the most significant aspect of that story, is that it meant people should remember him when they eat and drink, what is better than that?

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Reply by amour, Jan 17, 2010.

WELL SAID dirkwdeyoung !!

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Reply by dirkwdeyoung, Jan 20, 2010.

Well I am going to add something here. It is only in recent times that civilization, at least on this side of the Atlantic got away from wine. Otherwise it has been an important part of the last several thousand years of our culture. Americans are not discovering wines, they are rediscovering them. What happened.? I suspose that somehow we got away from our roots. Even though our dominant founding culture was British, it was simply not possible for a British Naval Officer to entertain on their ship without being able to offer a suitable bottle of Claret, i.e. Bordeaux wine and this at the height of the Napoleanic wars. Thus, not drinking french red wine is not British, so what happened? Leave it alone, it happened and now Americans are more and more discovering the roots of at least their european culture and that means that wine should occupy an important place in our culture. Perhaps it was because the development of America was so dynamic and face it, wine culture is settled, some vines are 50-60 years old for example. Maybe the puritain side of our culture held sway, I really don't know, but wine is a very important part of joie de vivre and an essential element in the gastronomic traditions across all of europe.

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Reply by gregt, Jan 21, 2010.

Wine was important where they were able to grow grapes or import finished wine. But it wasn't as important as other beverages that were made locally. Beer for example, was probably an older fermented beverage and in much of Europe, which is too cold for grapes, that was the beverage of choice. Or vodka. The Poles and Russians and Scandinavians bought wine when they could, but mostly drank beer or spirits. SInce they settled most of the midwest, we got a great beer culture out there and little wine.

Geo Washington liked Madeira more than wine and was also a big distiller. The lower classes in England didn't drink all that much wine. The officer on the ship may have, although he probably drank something fortified, but the crew didn't. Since the early colonists were usually not the wealthy folks, they didn't import a wine-drinking culture from Britain. In fact, Britain sent over many many convicts to every colony. When they couldn't gather up enough convicts, the boat captains would simply sweep thru the streets of London and round up people to ship over. Gin was their drink of choice. However, in the US, we grew corn, so we became a nation of corn liquor drinkers.

The US was at one time the hardest drinking nation on earth, probably like Russia is today. All those gunfights out west? Not as many as people believe, more knife fights probably, but mostly those were because of corn liquor. Because of that, Carrie Nation and others wanted alcohol banned. Jefferson had tried to distinguish between a fermented beverage like wine and a distilled beverage like bourbon, but to no avail. His thinking was that wine drinkers didn't drink to pass out but he was considered effete and until the US had settled out in CA and was able to ship wine back east, it was a lot easier to drink whiskey. There was a lot of wine produced in the mid - south, but that same land was also producing the more profitable corn, so wine didn't have a chance.

I guess my point is that if you figure the first settlers were English and Germanic, wine wasn't a part of their culture that had to be regained. The French were marginal and the Italians didn't arrive en masse until the 1880s, so there wasn't a huge wine culture built into the US psyche. Plus, much as people love the Italians today, that wasn't the case in the 1970s and earlier. The US was enthralled by French food and culture in the 1960s, and really it was Jackie Kennedy who got people thinking about wine as something to serve to their guests. But the French food was n't the "Mediterranean diet" that's popular today. It was the cooking of Careme. "Lighter cooking" and fern bars and all that came around in the late 1970s along with the popularity of white zin and chardonnay as something for ladies who were concerned about their weight. If you look at the founding dates of many good Napa wineries, they're sometime around the mid 1900s.

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Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Jan 21, 2010.

I was just going to so because it tastes so damn good and, big and, for the memories it creates.

But maybe it's what Greg T wrote.

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Reply by amour, Jan 21, 2010.

I never tire of reading and when it comes
to intelligent commentary on wine and wine-history,
I am instantly available!
Thank you, GregT !! THANK YOU VERY MUCH GREGT !!!

You transported me to conversation
in the 1970's at MAXWELL's PLUM,
NewYork with the eccentric owner
and a friend!
We wondered what corn liquor must
have tasted like?
Cheers!

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Reply by dirkwdeyoung, Jan 21, 2010.

GREGT, that's what I am talking about, thanks for the comment, it is very interesting.

I would like to play off of GDP's phrase, "for the memories it creates." Nothing could be more true. Wine can offer the potential to, as the French say, "marquer l' occasion." Perhaps one of the greatest rewards of saving a wine for 12, or 15 or more years, is that it will over time of course improve, but very importantly, it will loose the economic aspect of the initial purchase price. Even if you paid, $60, or $80, or $100 for the bottle, or even more, once you have lovingly stored that bottle for all of those years, the initial purchase price will pale as compared to the value added by the preservation. And at the moment when you choose to "sacrifice" that bottle for a particular occasion, there is probably no more significant statement that you can make to your company. What other element, of a meal, or an event gives you that possibility, more so than the wine itself. Such "Vin de garde" will give you the chance to create an unforgetable memory. I sometimes think that this aspect is too often overlooked, as compared to the obvious fact that wine is one product that has the potential to improve with age. When your host delivers an item to the table that they have saved for all that time it is a significant message as to how much they value the relationship and the moment.

This is an important aspect of the decision to begin keeping a cave beyond taste and a reward that you can enjoy, when you make this effort. I hope this thought will motivate many of you, if you have not already done so, to begin saving wine, which has the potential to pleasantly age with you.


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