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Snooth User: napagirl68

Whatcha drinking tonight- part 2 (for Zuf)

Original post by napagirl68, Apr 28, 2013.




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Reply by outthere, Sep 28, 2013.

Really enjoying this offering from Wine Guerrilla. Bright, fruity and structured.


Reply by jtryka, Sep 29, 2013.

A bottle of 2010 Plumb Cellars Estate Sangiovese from Walla Walla, delicious and under $20!

Reply by outthere, Sep 30, 2013.
Got an early sample of this from Hardy before release. Being a big PS fan I was intrigued by the thought of a D&R Petite Sirah. Big varietal, picked early, low intervention.,12.6abv. In the Trousseau mold.
Opened this on a Friday, poured a glass and put the bottle back in the cellar. First day it was hard as nails, no surprise. Looked back in on Sunday and found it starting to come around. Now on Monday evening after 76 hours of air this is really opening up. Blue fruit and white pepper abound. Big PS fruit but not big on texture. Elegant in the mouth with iron, crushed rock, zippy acid, a kiss of oak and chalky tannins for days.
Granted this is a baby but I can see this as much more approachable in the near term, than say a Switchback Ridge or Turley, because the leanness of the fruit. It brings the whole PS package but in a feminine way and I really like it.
Only like 30 cases produced, Hardy said it will be allocated to the mailing list. I'm in for all I can buy.
Reply by outthere, Oct 4, 2013.

So I'm a day late, sue me. Wednesday night a few of us got together in Napa for an impromptu offline. Wines that don't suck and  BBQ from Busters in Calistoga. 

About 12 bottles, 2 of which were cooked/spoiled, but some others I had not tasted before.

We started off with a white. 2010 Ziata Sauvignon Blanc. A Karen Cakebread wine of distinction for a SB. Lovely aromas of stone fruit, mineral driven palate with lots of citrus, slight oil texture and lovely acidity. Great way to get our palates revved up.

Steve and Carole from Lagier Meredith brought their Mondeuse . A bottle I had a hard time finding descriptors for because it was so unique. Trying to think what variety I could compare it to. Sort of a woodsy Pinot with a Syrah chaser. They grow their Mondeuse differently than the French do in the Savoie. Much darker with more intensity. Carole said they drop fruit to promote flavors while the French let the vines over crop which is how they normally produce. The result here is a wine with more oomph. Hopefully I can try this again sometime as it peaked my interest.

Macario Montoya of Campesino couldn't make it that evening so we opened one of his wines as a tribute. The '11 Campesino "Papi y Chula" Carneros PN was savory and spicy if not a touch heavy on the oak. Probably needs a couple year to resolve. Nice effort though.


Carole is the PhD Geneticist from UC Davis who traced the roots of California Zinfandel all the way back to an 18 vine planting in Croatia that went by the name of Crljenak Kaštelanski or the more easily pronounced Tribidrag. So when they pulled out some Syrah vines in their vineyard high up on on Mt Veeder overlooking Yountville and Stags Leap they had to plant Tribidrag. 2011 was their inaugural vintage.  This wine expressed the dark fruit and ripeness characterized by Zin with a spice an intensity that is a trademark of their mountain property. Not real complex at this stage but the pieces are there and this should shine with 4+ yeas of bottle age.

We never got to the Syrah which I probably a good thing for the wine as theirs tend to want to lay down for a few years and up to 10 or more.


Earlier in the day, when I was in Calistoga to pick up the BBQ, I stopped by at Envy/Carter to pop in on Mike Smith and say hi. He as out checking fruit at a vineyard so I chatted with Robin Akhurst who makes the wines for Envy and is assistant to Mike on various other ventures at the winery such as Carter, Myriad, Quivet, Patanae... Robin also has his own label called Apsara. When he heard I was going to a wine dinner he offered up a bottle of his '11 Apsara Las Madres Syrah. Never being one to look a gift horse in the mouth I graciously accepted. This was a real nice Syrah. Concentrated Las Madres aromas of black olive, bacon, violet, rich texture, blueberry and blackberry fruit, soft tannins, a Crozes Hermitage ringer. Many good years ahead for this wine. Have a couple in my cellar that I have been wary to open so young. My fears were confirmed as this wine wants to develop further in the bottle. Delicious now but so much more to offer.

My other bottle was a '10 Arnot-Roberts Clary Ranch Syrah which was opened early in the day and allowed to breath. This had the nose of the night. Savory to the nth degree with black and green olive, green bell pepper, black pepper exploding in the nose. Clary Ranch is the ultimate in cool climate locations, situated in the coastal rolling hills near the Marin/Sonoma County line, which are mainly used for dairy farming. The vineyard struggles to ripen most years. This wine really showed it's roots in that savory nose. The palate was lean with smoky blueberry, iron, olive and tangy acidity. 12.2abv, the extreme in lean Syrah. Wonderful wine.


The Blankiet Estate Merlot was a wine in the right bank Bordeaux mold and was the wine that was most ready to drink on the evening. Lots of cedar and graphite on the nose soft plate with tobacco and cedar framing the dark red fruit. Supple tannins on the long finish made this one shine.

In the words of Monty Python, "Now for something completely different!" This '05 Quilceda Creek Galitzine Vineyard Cabernet Sauvignon was just that. This one went into a wide bottomed decanter for some vigorous air but for my palate there wasn't enough air to make this wine drinkable. And to think Steve Tanzer gave this wine 96 points. Over-extracted, candied, immense tannins. I don't think this wine could ever resolve and become drinkable for me. Maybe in 25 years. Maybe, but not likely. To think people pay $100 a bottle for this is mind boggling to me. Just not my kinda thing.


We we finished off with blind Port which we all figured was so where around $40. On reveal we were surprised to find a $15 Penfolds Club Tawny. Great value here, something to seek out that doesn't break the bank and provides plenty of enjoyment.

The two bad wins were a 2000 Carneros PN and an '07CdP. Nice mid-week diversion from life.

Reply by EMark, Oct 4, 2013.

Thanks for the very interesting report, OT.  Please keep it up.

I am, of course, envious.  In ranking my envy, I would say that my enjoyment of Zinfandel requires that I put the L-M Tribidrag at the top.

I did notice, though, that the intermittent gravity anomaly that you guys seem to get up there is happening again.

Reply by outthere, Oct 4, 2013.

My bad Mark, I should have fixed the orientation before uploading.

Reply by Richard Foxall, Oct 4, 2013.

Sure those weren't Australian wines, OT? 

Okay, priming myself for the throwdown last night I went out for....Spanish food!  The restaurant, Duende, has wine taps. I'm a huge fan of these.  But, alas, only California wines, which figures, and no Spanish grapes or styles.  Our waiter apparently did not know that Viader and a few others grow Tempranillo and was apparently unaware that Grenache, which is grown here in abundance, is really Spanish.  At any rate, the closest thing was a Tablas Creek Rose (they are owned by Perrin of Beaucastel, for them that don't know), and here's what I love about the tap system:  500 ml carafes!  No pix, because it was a little too dark and we just couldn't be bothered.  After dinner, we chased it with two 30 year old sherries, totally different in style.  Wish I could link to the dessert menu so you could see the great list of sherries. 


Reply by outthere, Oct 4, 2013.

I'll just have to imagine Fox.

Tonight we are breaking in Zazu Kitchen and Farm at their new location in The Barlow in Sebastopol. Great farm to table menu deserves a Mourvèdre so we are bringing Mike Officer along.

You know Mark, if you had an iPhone or iPad those photos would look just fine  =:p


Reply by EMark, Oct 4, 2013.

OT, talk to the Snooth people.  I think they are the ones that can't get the orientation right.  Traveling to OZ, as Fox hints at, is not in the cards.

Sipping on Bogle Vineyards Essential Red 2010 right not.  Kind of a Heinz 57 Varieties wine.  EZ to drink and EZ on the wallet, but nothing to write home about.



Reply by jtryka, Oct 5, 2013.

I am drinking this:

Reply by EMark, Oct 5, 2013.

Check it out.


This is the first time I ever opened a bottle with one of those glass corks.  I took the pic just so I could show it.

Terra Valentine Riesling, 2011.  We visited this winery on Spring Mountain last May.  I was surprised I liked their white wines as much as I did.  This one is bone dry with lots of tart apple flavor.  Unfortunately, I could guzzle glass after glass of this on a hot day.  BTW, big time Santa Ana winds here today and it is warm.

Reply by jtryka, Oct 6, 2013.

Wow, that is so cool, how do you open it?

Reply by EMark, Oct 6, 2013.

You just twist it off.

I have another bottle of this Riesling.  So, here is a pic of the tops of the bottles.  Notice that the unopened one (on the left) has a groove.  (I tried to put some red arrows in the pic, but they are not too easy to see.)  I did not realize what I had, here.  So, when I went to open the bottle, I pulled open the cutting blade on my corkscrew and started slicing the plastic capsule right there.  I was a tad surprised that in that groove, the plastic capsule is not adhered flush against the bottle.  So, I immediately had an idea what was going on.  You just slice the plastic capsule, grab the "knob" at the top, which also appears to be some sort of plastic, and give it a twist.


Here is a different view of the "cork" which I see is actually called a "Vino-Seal."  The black arrow (again, not the best) points to a plastic gasket adhered to the bottom of the knob.  Presumably, this provides an airtight seal.  I don't know if there has been any research as to whether any contact by the wine with this gasket causes any contamination.


So, if it is, in fact, airtight, I'm sure that there are factions that will argue that this type of closure is not appropriate for age-worthy wines.  I'm also sure there are factions that will argue the opposite.  Interestingly enough I have a Whitehall Lane 2006 Reserve Cab that also has one of these closures.  They even brag about it on the back label:  "This elegant alternative to cork provides an ideal seal ensuring the wine retains its purity of flavor and aroma.  No corkscrew is needed."



Reply by JonDerry, Oct 6, 2013.

Looks like you guys are drinking well this weekend. Meanwhile, I came down with a sore throat around the end of the day Friday, so no wine for me.

Thursday night was pretty epic though at the Wine Cellar Club. We had a few lower level burgs, an impressive lineup of Bordeaux ('82 Talbot, '90 Ormes de Pez, '01 Montrose, '05 Fleur Cardinale), and a real nice '05 Schafer Frohlich Spatlese to kick things off.

Reply by vin0vin0, Oct 7, 2013.

Had this with our anniversary dinner at Barndiva in Healdsburg last nightClassic Russian River Chard, full and rich with ripe fruit, but extremely well balanced, went real well with the scallops and the salmon.


Reply by EMark, Oct 7, 2013.

It must be moving inland.  I woke up with a sore throat yesterday.

It's funny, but, whenever I get this kind of crud, I am ravenously hungry--especially, for spicy, or salty, or acidic foods.  Wine, unfortunately, is a non-player.

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