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Snooth User: JonDerry

What 2010's Are You Buying?

Posted by JonDerry, Sep 24, 2012.

I'm finding my cellar a bit too Cali-centric these days and am looking to start buying from some different regions, and the 2010 vintage brings some interesting options to the table. Most of the good wines from around the world are beginning to take shape and arriving on the retail shelves, minus most of the bordeaux blends from France, CA, and Italy. Though these 2010 Bordeaux (and 09' for that matter) are not great vintages for buying much Bordeaux, and while it will be interesting to see how the cooler effects of 2010 (and later 11') affect Napa and the surrounding areas, I'll plan on taking more of a minimalist approach with CA Cabernet. For what it's worth, 09' is supposed to be good for Tuscany, any word on the 2010 Tuscan's yet?

2010 Burgundy - At a recent tasting, I was really impressed with the quality of the 2010 red burgs sampled and am looking forward to hoarding a case or so of good stuff from this vintage. I've already bought enough Chablis from Mr. Rimmerman, so I don't have to worry about that.

2010 German Riesling - It's been a long time coming for myself and German Riesling...this also feels like the right time to be buying as I've been craving whites more and more and from what I hear this seems to be a quality vintage. Some Donhoff Spatlese has recently caught my eye, so I'll be trying this soon, and also some Josef Leitz at K&L looks intruiging in a more dry style. Both in the $50+ range, so I'm expecting some good quality.

2010 Washington - Will continue to explore Washington while keeping in touch with CA, albeit perhaps in a more limited capacity.

2010 Rhone - And then there's the Rhone...we've already discussed this a bit in another thread, but I plan to be picking up a few pieces here and there at all price levels. At the high end of things, I hear Jaboulet la Chapelle Hermitage is back, starting with 09'.

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Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Sep 24, 2012.

Burgundy is on the radar today.

I'm waiting for the Jean Grivot wines, which will pretty much close out the buying with a few more wines to be added if the prices are right. So far I've laid in:

2010 Simon Bize Savigny-lès-Beaune 1er Cru Aux Vergelesses (France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Savigny-lès-Beaune 1er Cru)  
2010 Simon Bize Savigny-lès-Beaune 1er Cru Les Fourneaux (France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Savigny-lès-Beaune 1er Cru)  
2010 Simon Bize Savigny-lès-Beaune 1er Cru Les Marconnets (France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Savigny-lès-Beaune 1er Cru)  
2010 Domaine Robert Chevillon Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Les Cailles (France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru)  
2010 Domaine Robert Chevillon Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Les Pruliers (France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru)  
2010 Domaine Robert Chevillon Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Les Vaucrains (France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru)  
2010 Domaine Drouhin-Laroze Clos Vougeot (France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Clos Vougeot Grand Cru)  
2010 Domaine Drouhin-Laroze Latricières-Chambertin (France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Latricières-Chambertin Grand Cru)      
2010 Louis Jadot Chambolle-Musigny 1er Cru Les Baudes Domaine Gagey (France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Chambolle-Musigny 1er Cru)  
2010 Louis Jadot Clos Vougeot (France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Clos Vougeot Grand Cru)  [Click to view 3 label images]      
2010 Louis Jadot Latricières-Chambertin (France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Latricières-Chambertin Grand Cru)  
2010 Louis Jadot Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Les Boudots Domaine Gagey (France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru)  
2010 Louis Jadot Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru Les Beaux Monts (France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru)  
2010 Louis Jadot Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru Les Suchots (France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru)  
2010 Domaine Lignier-Michelot Clos de la Roche (France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Clos de la Roche Grand Cru)  
2010 Domaine Lignier-Michelot Morey St. Denis 1er Cru Les Faconnières (France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Morey St. Denis 1er Cru)  
2010 Domaine Pavelot (Jean-Marc et Hugues) Savigny-lès-Beaune 1er Cru Aux Guettes (France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Savigny-lès-Beaune 1er Cru)  
2010 Domaine Pavelot (Jean-Marc et Hugues) Savigny-lès-Beaune 1er Cru La Dominode (France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Savigny-lès-Beaune 1er Cru)  
2010 Domaine Pavelot (Jean-Marc et Hugues) Savigny-lès-Beaune 1er Cru Les Narbantons (France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Savigny-lès-Beaune 1er Cru)     
2010 La Pousse d'Or Corton-Bressandes (France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Corton Grand Cru)  
2010 La Pousse d'Or Corton-Clos du Roi (France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Corton Grand Cru)  
2010 La Pousse d'Or Pommard 1er Cru Les Jarollieres (France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Pommard 1er Cru)
2010 La Pousse d'Or Volnay 1er Cru Clos de la Bousse d'Or (France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Volnay 1er Cru)  
2010 La Pousse d'Or Volnay 1er Cru Clos des 60 Ouvrées (France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Volnay 1er Cru)  
2010 Maison Roche de Bellene Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru Les Petits Monts (France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru)  
2010 Maison Roche de Bellene Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru Les Suchots (France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru)  
2010 Domaine Taupenot-Merme Mazoyères-Chambertin (France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Mazoyères-Chambertin Grand Cru)  
2010 Domaine Joseph Voillot Pommard 1er Cru Les Pèzerolles (France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Pommard 1er Cru)  
2010 Domaine Joseph Voillot Pommard 1er Cru Les Rugiens (France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Pommard 1er Cru)  
2010 Domaine Joseph Voillot Volnay 1er Cru Champans (France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Volnay 1er Cru)      
2010 Domaine Joseph Voillot Volnay 1er Cru Les Fremiets (France, Burgundy, Côte de Beaune, Volnay 1er Cru) 

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Reply by outthere, Sep 24, 2012.

You say Cali-centric like its a bad thing. :p

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Reply by JonDerry, Sep 24, 2012.

Not a bad haul there Greg, wow. 

OT, I went in to organize my cellar the other day and there are a lot of good CA wines, well it's about 70% CA, and more than a few of them I wish I had not bought to free up more $ for Burg & Germans now. 1st class problems, of course ; )

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Reply by outthere, Sep 24, 2012.

I can relate to purchase regret. Just popped this one only to find it corked! Damn French! ;-)

Careful on the Jean Grivot GdP

 

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Reply by JonDerry, Sep 25, 2012.

Ouch!

What timing w/ the corks thread going strong and GdP's mention of Grivot. Well, maybe we can blame the 90's?

Greg, I looked in to some of the items on your list and have a couple I'm interested in myself. The Chevillon Les Cailles has always been on my radar so I may finally pull the trigger in this vintage. A Grivot or two look really good an in my price range, and then I can't leave out Pommard & Volnay so maybe Voillot's may have to find a place in my cellar.

From the research I've done on 2010 Faiveley, I'd recommend

2010 Faiveley Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Cru Les Cazetiers

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Reply by JonDerry, Sep 29, 2012.

Anyone have any experience with Grand Veneur CdP or the Vielles Vignes?

WA says 95-99 for the 2010 VV, 94-96 Les Origines, and there's also a straight CdP available (ST 90-92) which might be the best value of the bunch.

Can source the VV for $79.99 at Woodland Hills Wine Co. (If only they were closer), $49.00 for the Les Origines at Wine Exchange or K&L, and the straight CdP (ST 90-92) is available at K&L for $30.00

Also, spurred by a Full Pull offering I read this morning, was looking into 2010 Oregon Pinot Noir from St. Innocent, which seems to be one of the more heralded Williamette producers.

They source from about 8 vineyards or so, all with good reviews, but the 2010 Zenith seems to stand out as a best buy for $30.00, along with the Justice, Shea, and Temperance Hill all in the $30-40+ range. Most ABV's here are well below 13.5%

 

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Oct 4, 2012.

I've seen many offers for Grand Veneur CdPs on WTSO, invino, Lot18, and the like.  I've never bit. 

After re-reading GregDP's recommendation on CdP in another thread, and looking at the reviews here and there, I just purchased two 2010 Vieux Donjon CdPs pre-arrival from K&L for $50 each.  If points count, it scored 96 from WS, and 93-95 from both Tanzer and RP.  Same price as the Grand Veneur VV, and GdP lauded its traditional style. 

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Reply by JonDerry, Oct 4, 2012.

Way to go on the Donjon Fox, I went ahead and did the same with Charvin (2x), same 93-95(ST) points I believe, 96-98 (WA) I think as well, crazy points for these CdP's, we'll have to see if they live up to them.

Look at us, buying CdP en primeur through K&L, at least we only have to wait a couple of months.

Right after I bought the Charvin, I noticed the Donjon getting played up by Rare Wine and by some savvy CT users, never saw the K&L sale.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Oct 5, 2012.

JD, if you don't mind being on the short end of the deal by $20, we'll open those two side by side at some point in 2015 or later.  But think of it this way:  The 2007 Charvin was $30 more than you paid. 

Sure, we bought en primeur, but the odds I was going to get to taste that before committing were pretty low, and I went on GdP's advice, too.  When it comes to critics, I ignore RP's scores unless they are close to Tanzer's because RP's likes just don't correlate to mine, and not always for the predictable reasons.  But I have noticed that if they both like something, that often works out for me.  The clincher here was GdP's comments elsewhere about CdP styles generally. 

BTW, I might be seeing the Rhone buyer for K&L this weekend at the book release party for Charles Phan's (Slanted Door) first cookbook.  She's also a neighbor of mine, and vinted her own grenache. I never see her around the neighborhood because she works retail hours, but we struck up a conversation at the store once so I learned all this.  So far I've liked the Hermitage I bought there, was disappointed by the Thunevin-Calvet that I bought on the RP score and a favorable comment from Jancis.  I'd say my track record with K&L is that I don't really get their taste in less expensive Bordeaux, I like their Loire selection, esp the reds, and I find them kind of all over the map on California stuff.  As I said, the decision on the Donjon was based on GdP and the combo score of RP/ST, which has so far worked pretty well for me.

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Reply by JonDerry, Oct 5, 2012.

2015 sounds good for a side by side Fox...I'm in agreement with cheaper Bordeaux in general, I had been talking up some 09's, but they're a bit much on the fruit, maybe not quite as much as your CA cabs, but overall I'm just trending away from Bordeaux. There's too much more to explore.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Oct 5, 2012.

Just have to be careful with those Cal Cabs, you know that, JD. They still make them in a restrained style if you look in the right places.  Bell, Dunn, Mayacamas, Montelena, Ridge, and some obscure things I have sitting around like Altus, Merus's second label while they lasted. 

But on the whole, I am finding myself moving away from Cab based wines because they dominate the food too often.  Cab Francs from the Loire, Spanish grenache and tempranillo, Syrahs, are all just a little more versatile with food. 

If I had to guess, I will drink pinot tonight, grenache tomorrow, and whatever Charles Phan pours on Sunday, probably riesling.  So, yeah, no Bord varieties on tap.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Oct 5, 2012.

And Jancis says you have to buy those 2010 Rhones, North and South, although I have been plenty happy with the 2009s from the South, too:

"Wine lovers in search of great French wine whose prices have not (yet) been inflated by demand from Asia are currently able to choose from two great vintages (2009 and 2010) in the northern Rhône...having already started my tastings of the 2010 vintage in Burgundy and the Rhône, I must urge those of you who like wines from these two great French wine regions to try to put a bit of money aside (ha!) to invest in the 2010s from them. After the unusually ripe, relatively low acid wines made in 2009, the 2010s typically show considerably more precision and freshness, and more supple tannins in the case of the southern Rhône."

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Reply by JonDerry, Nov 8, 2012.

I read something where Parker is calling 2010 Barolo "Epic" already.

While not 2010, I was able to grab some 2008 Barolo yesterday.

3 x 2008 Burlotto Barolo Monvigliero

Thanks for the rec GdP, 

 

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Reply by zufrieden, Nov 10, 2012.

I am reserving judgment on the Bordeaux (in terms of price futures), but I am stocking up on Chablis, Champagne and especially Rhone wines.  The latter are especially fine and you need not focus on the best Villages or CdP.  That is my recommendation.

As for Bordeaux, the vintage is excellent - as good as 2009 - but should come in cheaper.  We shall see, but if so, stock up on your favourite chateaux.

Z.

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Reply by Greg Tatar, Nov 11, 2012.

Fox - the Grand Veneur and the Donjon are worlds apart. Donjon is stinky and funky and Grand Veneur is clean and lush. I actually have both, but not from 2010. I mean, how many vintages of the century can there possibly be within 10 years?

2010 is an interesting year because it was at least good throughout much of western Europe. In north Spain, some people say it's even better than 2001 and 2005 in Rioja and in Ribera del Duero and Toro. In the Priorat region it's also good. And as Zuf points out - you don't have to be locked into CdP in France - many wines from the Languedoc are really nice. They had some big rain storms in early October but things dried out and the wines are good. The Loire is also a place to look for a good vintage.

Farther east, not so good. Cold in Germany, cold and wet in Austria, excessively rainy, wet and cold in Tokaj during harvest. Many grapes simply rotted.

In CA, I don't know anyone calling it an outstandingly good vintage except Michael Phillips from Lodi, and I like his wines, so that's good news.

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Reply by JonDerry, Nov 11, 2012.

Thanks for the 2010 tips outside of the usual suspects, though I've heard that cold German weather has made for some wild but also interesting wines. Shame about Tokaji. Languedoc/Loire I need to explore more but don't really know where to start in the Languedoc and all I know from Loire is Baudry.

As far as CA, it's probably considered below average, but it's also one of those that people like us may appreciate since it was cooler the lushness of Napa is probably tempered a bit, and where I've heard especially good things is Paso, and likely other parts of the central coast like Santa Barbara.

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Reply by JonDerry, Nov 12, 2012.

A 2010 Burgundy episode at Woodland Hills Wine Co. yesterday...no wine buying for quite a while, though I'm trying to figure a way to get some 2010 Chevillon's especially the Les Saint Georges, Les Cailles, Vaucrains, Ronciers, any ideas?

2 x 2010 La Pousse d'Or Volnay 1er Cru Clos de la Bousse d'Or 
2 x 2010 Domaine Rossignol Volnay 1er Cru Santenots 
2 x 2010 Faiveley Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Les Porêts Saint-Georges 
2 x 2010 Domaine Pavelot (Jean-Marc et Hugues) Savigny-lès-Beaune 1er Cru La Dominode 

1 x 2010 La Pousse d'Or Chambolle-Musigny 1er Cru Les Charmes 
1 x 2010 Simon Bize Savigny-lès-Beaune 1er Cru Aux Vergelesses 

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Nov 13, 2012.

Like a way to hide the credit card bill from your wife, JD?

I'm impressed by your swan dive into the murky swimming pool of Burgundy.  I'm still waiting for one that impresses me quite the way the lot Snooth sent did.  Maybe I need to go whole hog and spend my life savings on these wines--or maybe it's just not my thing and I would be throwing good money after bad.

There will be really good wines from the 2010 harvest in California, but that's going to be things that didn't see the heat spikes, which means a few things on the coast and, it turns out, up in Rockpile, where the lake sucked up the heat, and where they also didn't panic and cut away too much of the canopy when it was looking like the coldest summer ever. But for some wineries, it'll be a debacle because they made the wrong bets. Also, quantities will be tiny because even wineries that bet right still had to select very critically, but fear about the vintage will balance the supply side with decreased demand--no one will get away with charging a premium, and there may be continued fall out at wineries that lacked strong financial support. That's my guess based on a few conversations I have had with winemakers out here. Some wineries will not be able to put out good wines solely on estate fruit and might be wise to sit out the vintage entirely, but won't be able to afford to.

2011 will also be tough for many as yields were very low throughout the area--people who brag about keeping it under 2 tons per acre are crying that they got half that and less from some vineyards.

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Reply by JonDerry, Nov 13, 2012.

She actually knows about this, kind of egged me on when I dropped her off at the nail salon (the store's in her hometown), "if you spend $500 that'll just be a longer wait until you can buy again". 

Of course, with a growing Burgundy inventory I'm having to cut back on CA, but am still on the Larkmead and Booker list so that will help me keep in touch no matter how far I veer off the path.

Think the Rare Wine Co. offer sums it up best..."the glory of Red Burgundy is its ability to deliver power and intensity without heaviness." Maybe it'll grab you at some point, I by no means have enjoyed every one I've had and it took me a while to warm to the region. Seeing "1er Cru" everywhere threw me off for a while, not knowing what it meant and it also seemed very aesthetically off.


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