Wine Talk

Snooth User: fibo86


Posted by fibo86, Jan 28, 2009.

How's the waether in the USA atm?
It's doing some fairly horrid things here.
Poor Adelaide is having a heat wave, 4 days over 45*c (not too sure what it is in farenhiet), three days so far in Victoria and Sydney by the weekend.
This is typical bush fire season for us and this weather isn't doing any winery any good and it's over three States.
One winery last year (that I know of) lost 20,000 head of cattle, two humans and almost a complete vintage-lucky for them thier neighbours had a helping hand and a bumper crop to help them get back on thier feet.
Is this the future? Are any US wineries trying to take this into account?
The French seem to think that global warming (or cooling depending on your view) is a definate and perhaps forsite, perhaps scare mongering has set them into action they have bought land in England and have gone as far as testing soils of particular area's to find similarities to Champagne with great success.
The French have also gone halves in a couple of wineries both here and in NZ they only produce bubbles..... of coarse.
Do you think that others will follow suite or is it just a scare mongering?


Reply by Philip James, Jan 28, 2009.

There's a Tennis tournament going on now in Australia, right? I heard that its 45C, but on the courts its more like 55C - the players are wearing ice vests in between games.

In NYC it keeps snowing (4 times this year) - usually it snows 0 or 1 time a season. Global Weirding at its finest...

Reply by Mark Angelillo, Jan 28, 2009.

A controversial topic, to be sure.

I fully believe that global warming is real and will change the industry for good and forever. However, I don't believe that it will kill wine completely. Humans are pretty stubborn and resistant to change...

Reply by John Andrews, Jan 28, 2009.

Chiming in on the French wineries ... while they might be more motivated by climate change they have been buying / partnering in other nations for at least 30 years. In Northern California alone the following either own whole or partially wineries:

- GH Mumm
- Roederer
- Tattinger
- Moet & Chandon
- Muton Rothschilde

I think they are motivated by profits as much as climate change.

Reply by MarioRobles, Jan 29, 2009.

The French, The French! ;-)

Reply by oceank8, Jan 29, 2009.

Southern California has actually had a pretty warm winter. This week has been our coldest thus far, about mid 60's during the day. Not sure how this will affect the grapes but we haven't had much water either, so I am sure there will be some affect from that. This past harvest season there were so many grapes that most wineries left a lot on the vines, they just couldn't store any more. Interested to see if the theory is true; that the more grapes produced, the poorer the quality.

Reply by Rodolphe Boulanger, Jan 29, 2009.

@Philip - 0 or 1 times was not normal. 4 times is pretty normal for a NYC winter... we are slightly colder than usual this year after some balmy ones.

As for the French, yes they've been partnering and investing around the world (Carneros, Anderson Valley, Argentina, Brazil, South Africa Oz, NZ, etc) for years now. However, what is not disputable about the climate is that the harvest conditions have changed remarkably across Europe. This is especially the case in northern continental Europe (Chablis, Cote d'Or, Alsace, Germany), but it also impacts Bordeaux, Piedmont, Tuscany and Spain. Vines are consistently budding earlier, ripening earlier and being harvested earlier than 30-50 years ago - in some places, the average harvest date is 25 to 30 days sooner than a generation ago. In Chablis and Germany, they need to chaptalize (add sugar) and deacidify their musts much less often - making it easier to produce high quality wines year after year. Why are they seeing larger swings than the US? Well, Europe is at a very high latitude and would have miserable Ice Age-like weather if not for the tempering influence of the Gulf Stream which has a large warming impact. For the past few decades, this warming influence has been getting stronger.

So-called global warming will have some large beneficial effects on the wine industry up to a point. When it gets so hot that they have to plant Nero d'Avola in Bordeaux and Asyrtiko in Montrachet, count me out!

As someone related to me yesterday, in 40 years, we'll be able to enjoy some great wines from Britain, Burgundy, Germany and Northern China while we are underwater here in NYC!

Reply by Adam Levin, Jan 29, 2009.

Northern California is dry and dryer this winter.

Reply by fibo86, Feb 10, 2009.

173 lives lost and still counting. atm we don't know how many wineries are affected even if still standing. The wild fires are still going through South Eastern Australia. We're used to fire in summer but this hasn't behaved like any other fire to date( this includes the fires of the late 80's and mid 90's killing 75), so what is to hold over the next few weeks I wonder, as we have another couple of weeks of weather no one seems to really understand.
Up on the North Eastern Australia has the opposite problem.... It is wet season up there but they're under many feet of water all of our emergancy teams are stretched to the limit in all areas.
Granted some of us have had a small break in the weather but for how long?
Many interesting stories of pure heart breaking horrors and also ultimate happiness at finding out someone in the family came through the other side.
A whole town being written off the map perhaps even the 200 residents- no-one knows yet.
History-natural history in the making.

Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Feb 10, 2009.

I've been following this Australian disaster on the news. terrible and heart breaking. And to think it's most likely arson.

You all have my thoughts and best wishes.

I hope this quickly comes to an end.

Reply by fibo86, Feb 10, 2009.

Oh it's always arson or some stupid moron throwing out a cig butt.
We're all praying for a quick end.
Luckily it's making an evacuation plans other than it's your choice.
They're saying that now at least 183 still counting they say at minimum 300, the fire itself was so hot there will be at least 80 people that will never be identified.....scarey

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