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Vintage rating impossible

Posted by napagirl68, Aug 9, 2013.

Ok,... so I had a recent vintage of a wine I rated in the past.  I went into the search, found the winery/vineyard (and saw my rating).  I added a vintage, and my old review still pops up!   Even when I click on other years, the same review comes up.  We need to be able to rate by vintage here!

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Reply by EMark, Aug 10, 2013.

NG, I have had my own issues with the integrity of the Snooth database.  I think that most of my issues spring from indicriminant merges of mutiple entries.  In theory I support that effort.  However, in practice there have been unfortunate wines I I can point to wines that have my comments even though I have never had that wine.

Regarding your problem, I know that Snooth will append reviews for different vintages of a wine.  Take this one for the 2005 Chateau Chevalier Cab, for example.  At the "Home" page for this entry, you see three truncated reviews--two of them by me.  Howev er, if you click on the Read More Reviews link right below and you will see the entire text of all the reviews.  Previous vintage reviews are noted to the left of the posting date in that light gray-colored font.  Is it possible that this is what is happening to you?

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Reply by napagirl68, Aug 10, 2013.

Yes, Emark.. I see your point.  Yet, when I try to add a review to the newer vintage, I have to hit the "+" button because my old one still shows at the top.  Regardless, I find it VERY misleading as vintage variability is HUGE, and in essence, an entirely different wine!  If I were searching wines, and saw reviews for several vintages come up, I would be pissed.  I added the newer vintage (it was not on here), and that should be its own separate category from any other wine.

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Reply by EMark, Aug 11, 2013.

I think we are basically on the same page, here, NG.  Snooth should do some work to clean up their data base, make it a bit easier to use, and be able to accommodate mistakes that human users will, when they have the opportunity, make.

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Reply by outthere, Aug 11, 2013.

I don't think this is user error Mark. What NG is essentially saying is the tasting note she left for a 2011 Pinot from Producer X shows up under the 2007 vintage of the same wine from the same producer although 2007 created a completely different performing wine. And vice versa.

Look at it this way. You are about to pull the trigger and purchase a 2008 Anthill Farms Anderson Valley Pinot Noir and look to the tasting notes first to be sure it is what you want. If there are no notes from 2008 but there are from another vintage the other vintage notes are pasted into the 2008 description. 2008 Anthill Anderson Pinot was smoke tainted by the Mendocino County Fires. Without this valuable knowledge you would buy a tainted wine expecting a 93pt gem. 

Its an issue with the Snooth database programming. Not the users inputting tasting notes.

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Reply by EMark, Aug 11, 2013.

You're right, OT, my last post is very poorly written.  I have been frustrated with various pieces of software, lately, that assume that the user is thinking along the same lines as the coder, i.e., there is no cosideration of user mistakes.  I just lumped that complaint into my diatribe.

NG, I apologize for the inference that I clearly made.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Aug 13, 2013.

Two things:  I like the social aspect of Snooth, but the database... they know my opinions and they know where my tasting notes reside.  It's a problem.  Needs to be fixed.  Hasn't been.  So I use CellarTracker.  Now if somehow they could make up with Eric LeVine and legally import my tasting notes from his database, things would be great.  They used to have such an agreement, it expired, there was a problem with the code not being changed and Snooth was scraping notes from CT without an agreement, and things got nasty.  I don't think the changes to the social aspect of CT have made it very attractive for that purpose (plus I've got more pals here!) and I liked the old design for the database--reminds me of the databases I used to build in the old days of MS-DOS.  So I just use both, using Classic mode on CT 90% of the time. 

OT, some people like my wife actually enjoy those smoky 2008s.  I've had some nice Toulouse PN from that vintage.  But, yeah, different wine.  Vintage does matter.

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Reply by JonDerry, Aug 13, 2013.

Fox, I don't think CT is trying to go super-social, at least not with their message board since Eric is very friendly with WineBerserkers.

I just let Snooth do their thing unless they ask for my opinion. My wine life is complete with what's in place, so I'm pretty indifferent. 

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Aug 13, 2013.

Agreed, JD.  It would be more convenient to have it all in one place (hmm, maybe I could get my friends to program an aggregator) but it works fine as is.  I've settled into this part of it for what it is. 

CT does have the forums and allows commenting on others' notes, as well as following and friending, so I do think that LeVine is trying to capitalize on that a bit.  Keeping people on there longer and engaging helps to sell what little ad space he does have.

As for WB, definitely more folks from inside the business, and some hard core collectors that have been plenty friendly and generous when I have met them or contributed, but the format reminds me of the old electronic bulletin boards where unshowered computer guys used to swap binaries of an "adult" nature, or where you could download guitar tablature using FTP.  Now tell me that doesn't stamp me with an age significantly over 40!

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Reply by JonDerry, Aug 13, 2013.

I like the new CT, so glad they never went ahead with "Grape Stories", the horror!!!

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Aug 13, 2013.

Yeah, that "Grape Stories" prototype was terrible.  I occasionally use the new version, since it's the only way to comment and sometimes I receive a comment on a note that asks a question.  I'm finding it easier to use when I just want to scroll through wines--less clicking and going back.  But the classic mode is better IMO for displaying wines with a large number of tasting notes. 


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