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Vin Santo Recommendations

Posted by Eric Guido, Aug 26, 2009.

Vin Santo Recommendations

Looking to get some to have and to hold. Last year Greg pulled out a 1990 Felsina Vin Santo that still haunts my dreams.

I don't know much about the different styles or what producers make bottles that age well (other than Felsina). Any suggestions?



Reply by Eric Guido, Aug 26, 2009.

Also, any vintage recommendations and dependable places to find he stuff. I find it very hard to find Vin Santo at most of my local spots.

Reply by Kheldarstl, Aug 26, 2009.

Castello Papiano 2001 Vin Santo, Very very nice - small producer, A wine shop in St. Louis had a tasting/Meet and greet with the owner of this winery - Tasted 1995, 1998, and 2001 Vin Santo's - the 2001 was aged in oak and chestnut barrels and was delicious. If you are unable to find it in your area Try Madinger Wines in St. Louis, They ship throughout the US.

Reply by Eric Guido, Aug 27, 2009.

Is this the same producer as Villa Papiano, like the link below?

Reply by dmcker, Aug 27, 2009.

Personally have had very little Vin Santo, since I usually head in the grappa direction. Of what I have had, Avignonesi (from Montepulciano) sticks in my memory as the best, though I also remember it not being cheap. Its combination both times I had it, once with cantucci and another time with a crostata, was a true revelation.

K&L in the San Fran area has a small selection on offer (unfortunately no Avignonesi, but a couple of their selections look attractive). In general they're quite reliable:
I imagine there are others as well, undoubtedly much closer to you geographically, but these people have a reliable track record.

Just checked and J.J. Buckley has the Avignonesi:

Reply by Kheldarstl, Aug 27, 2009.

Eric, no it is not the same producer as Villa Papiano, It is the Count Guicciardini who is the producer of Castello Poppiano. on a side note they have a few interesting Supertuscans - two which are very interesting are their Tosco Forte - which is 90% Sangioves and 10 % Syrah, and their Syrah - Which is 90 % syrah and 10 % Sangiovese

Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Aug 27, 2009.

Avignonesi is one of the tops and priced accordingly,

Their Occhio de Pernice is one of the very few Vin Santos to be made primarily from red grapes, Sangiovese. It is incredibly intense and ranks among the greatest dessert wines. Priced that way too so hope a friend opens a bottle for you!

Badia a Coltibuono make solid Vin Santo.
Isole e Olena is a good value
Rocca Monte Grossi also offer good value, a step down in quality perhaps
Selvapiana makes a lovely example, a little lighter than many
Castel in'villa make a fine one but I have not seen a bottle in years

And of course both Fontodi and Felsina make excellent examples.

Reply by Eric Guido, Aug 27, 2009.

I guess I'l save the Avignonesi for purchases upon release due to the prices I'm seeing.

dmcker, ,have you ever done business with JJ Buckely? I recall hearing about some nightmare situations with them from member of the Parker boards.

Greg, seems like the Felsina is built to last but would you say the same for the other recommendations you made?

Thanks everyone

Reply by dmcker, Aug 28, 2009.

Eric, no I haven't, though they often pop up in searches. The people in the States I've dealt with and can vouch for are:

--Rare Wine Company, in Sonoma
--Napa Valley Winery Exchange in San Francisco
--Blicker Pierce Wagner Wine Merchants, in Napa
--Bottle Barn, in Santa Rosa
but I've always bought from them on site, and last I knew they still weren't set up for online sales (though they will ship onsite purchases to most anywhere in the States)

And K&L.

In the Vin Santo case, I didn't bother inquiring with RareWineCo, bpwine or NVWE, since it's kinda outside their area of expertise.

You could always spread your search to Italy, I suppose ;-) Here's one option:
and a little searching is sure to dig up others.

Reply by dmcker, Aug 28, 2009.

FYI, here's what Ian D'Agata, via Tanzer's website, had to say about Avignonesi's Occhio de Pernice (along with giving it 95 points). I love the last sentence in his description. Never have considered tooth enamel as a component in wine flavor... ;-)

"1995 Avignonesi Vin Santo Occhio di Pernice Vino da Tavola di Toscana
($210; entirely sangiovese, or prugnolo gentile) Shiny medium reddish-bronze. Extremely rich and complex nose offers strawberry, almond, milk chocolate and redcurrant jam aromas. The creamy palate is redolent of strawberry and redcurrant jam, honey, fig and date flavors that simply will not flag on the aftertaste. The wine's acidity is so high the enamel on your teeth starts to ache, but it gives great depth to the flavors."

Reply by Eric Guido, Sep 2, 2009.

I was really happy to see some vin santo reviews mixed into Antonio's recent WA article on Tuscany. Seems like he doesn't see Vin Santo as having much potential to age though.

2000 Felsina he gave a drinking range of 2009 - 2020. I was thinking more along the lines of 20 + years, especially after the experience we had with that 1990 Felsina.

Reply by Eric Guido, Sep 16, 2009.

Well I bought a case of the 2000 Felsina Vin Santo which I guess is the start of my Vin Santo collection. Thanks for the help guys.

Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Sep 17, 2009.

Wow Eric,

Nice add to the cellar!

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