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Snooth User: jamessulis

The Home wine rack

Original post by jamessulis, Oct 25, 2012.

I heard somewhere that white wines should be stored at the bottom of the home wine rack rather than at the top. Supposedly whites like it cooler (the old heat rises, cold falls theory), 

Now I know that wine's enemy is heat and changing temperatures, My wine rack is a 44 bottle system which stands about 4 feet high and I do keep the whites on the bottom racks and the reds on the top. For those of us that have a wall type system rack obviously the reds would be much higher. The area where my wine rack sits is a cool area subject to little heat or light. I would be interesting to see how others store their wine and what precautions if any they take. Attached is a picture of my wine rack and as you can see it's almost still full.

Thanks 

Lefty - the Great Pacific Northwest

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Nov 12, 2012.

Been meaning to post some pix of the quarter basement so I'll join the fun on this thread:

That came out pretty well, but there's not that much light down there, even with the fluorescents on. 

On the right is the 72 bottle wooden rack from Ikea, cheapest thing going on a per bottle basis.  (It's part of some system, don't ask me the name.  I built the wooden plinth below it so I could put leveling legs under it, but I had to shim it up as well. It's already survived a couple small quakes, but it wouldn't hurt to anchor it some more.  That one holds my best cabs at the bottom--the girls' birth year Dunns, some Rameys, Chappellets, Ridge, Hall, Bell, bunches of stuff from obscure places, many of which discounted crazily at the beginning of the recession.  Nothing too extravagant, but worth storing for a little time. Farther up is the Italian section--Barolos at about the 6th level, you can see the neck tape on a few.  Right above that Brunellos.  There's some other stuff mixed in there--red Loires, oddball varieties like Lacrima.  On the top is stuff that won't be drunk soon enough to be inside the house but is pretty ready.  That's the part that's nearest the door--I just duck walk over and grab one, then slither back out.

The metal racks are also from Ikea.  The wooden rack can't handle burg and Rhone bottles but these, slightly more expensive but still reasonable, do nicely.  They each hold 24 bottles. The one in the middle of the picture holds Pinots and Burgundies, both white and red.  The one on the left holds Rhones, with S. Rhones on the top shelves, and N. Rhones and Syrahs below. 

I filled these up but thought it was only temporary, so I didn't want to buy more racks.  Plus I don't have space.  So I started putting stuff in the white shelves (a repurposed LP cabinet I made years ago when I lived in an apartment) bolted to the studs.  On the right is Zinfandel land, mostly Taltys and Mauritson Rockpiles.  (Some of the Rockpiles are in the wooden rack--they seem to be multiplying! NG, you want to help me with those?) The second space in is the empty bottle the hall of fame:  My first vintage champagne bottle (PJ '99 or '00), Louisville bottling of Weller Centennial bourbon (and a full one I am holding onto), signed bottles from fave winemakers.  Next one over is mourvedres and some Cam Hughes that we drink every Christmas, don't ask me why. 

Behind the middle rack you can see two white boxes that sit on a concrete ledge--the ledge was part of the previous entry to the space.  Those boxes usually hold Bordeaux and odds and ends that didn't fit elsewhere.  Right now, thanks to OT, I have an overflow of Syrah. 

Not as easy to see is the box behind the metal rack on the left, so here's a picture of that:

Under those three Roars are six Huets--I put them there so it's hard to get them, in hopes that I won't jump the gun and drink them too young, which everyone else seems to do if you read CellarTracker. 

I've got about 15 or so bottles of stuff that should be delivered in the next couple weeks to months that all needs to go down here--those Conterno Barolos that K&L discounted, the 2010 Vieux Donjons that I mentioned elsewhere, more Brunello.  I could just stick some cases on the ground, but I think I will jinx myself with my new pump--we have a really high water table this close to the bay, and it's the start of rainy season.  So I guess it means I have to drink anything that's even at the beginning of its drinking window.  I thought hosting GdP for a west coast Snooth dinner would be one idea, but everyone would bring bottles with them. 

 

 

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Reply by gregt, Nov 12, 2012.

Zuf - what angle is that pic?? I think you have the most topsy-turvy looking cellar I've ever seen. Unlike the more organized Fox cellar.

This is one of the funniest posts though - "The stain that I used was left over from my patio deck cover.  So, it is approved by the architectural committee of the Tiburon-Puddingstone Homeowners Association. "

Always a good idea not to offend the authorities emark!

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Nov 12, 2012.

Actually, when I was a teen behind the Orange Curtain, our home could only be painted an "Irvine Company approved" color, which was basically earth tones of various sorts.  (Ahh, the '70s.)  This was enforceable because, although we owned the homes, we rented the land under them.  The vast Irvine Company owned huge portions of the land between Santa Ana and the coast, and still maintained the open space that had been ranchland across the road from our subdivision.  I think there are still such restrictions in the town home complex my parents live in. Funny about Orange County, where the John Birch society thrived, that Big Brother in the form of a corporate overlord was perfectly acceptable.

My cellar, or that part of it, is probably the only organized thing in my orbit.

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Reply by Lucha Vino, Nov 14, 2012.

Thanks NG. I will post some photos once I complete my cellar project.  Hopefully before the end of 2013!!

The storage conditions should be the same, but the style factor will be way higher.  Not sure that will help the wine age or taste better.  But, it will make walking in and selecting a bottle fell a whole lot more sophisticated...

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Reply by napagirl68, Nov 15, 2012.

Foxall- is your Lacrima from Dave @ wine mine?   Loved it myself :-)

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Reply by napagirl68, Nov 15, 2012.

Lucha- Looking forward to pix of your final project!

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Reply by JonDerry, Nov 15, 2012.

These pics are great, am glad this thread is living on - I had a lot of catching up to do! Lucha's looks great in Seatlle, and Fox's cellar is really suprising - he always made it seem dark and cavernous but it's real nice, I don't see those space issues you were talking about?

I'll wait for my iphone to arrive to take my pictures, though it's nothing special it's my story...if GregT posted he'd definitely win for quantity of bottles per square foot.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Nov 16, 2012.

NG, I think that lacrima is from Garagiste, but not sure. I tend to buy things I am going to drink soon from David, except some cabs and CdP like the Vieux Lazaret.

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Reply by zufrieden, Nov 18, 2012.

Yeah, I gave a rather oblique snap of that dungeon.  Part of the main stash is behind and around the corner (about 100 bottles there), and the angle does no justice to the top shelf, but there you have it.  Whenever the collection (which is in a locked basement room with sundry academic detritus) exceeds 200, I get fidgety and want to drink it down...

Oh well, the flesh is weak.

Z.

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Reply by Degrandcru, Nov 20, 2012.

Did some upgrading to my cellar.. as the temperature was a bit too high, so I went for a natural floor. Brought the temperature down a few degrees and the humidity up to about 75%.

Just hope that in the rain season I won´t have a pool down there...

 

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Reply by Degrandcru, Nov 20, 2012.

Here another one with a bigger part of the floor:

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Reply by Lucha Vino, Nov 20, 2012.

Nice DG! I remember when you were starting the excavation under your kitchen floor. :-)

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Reply by EMark, Nov 21, 2012.

I have to agree with Lucha, DG's cellar is very nice.  I particularly like the floor.

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Reply by napagirl68, Nov 21, 2012.

I concur!  Nice cellar, DG... and I also like the floor.

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Reply by JonDerry, Nov 21, 2012.

Well, not looking so pretty now...I'll have to send a follow up if and when I get more organized.

Here's a look at my offsite storage in Irvine, where I'm keeping most of the collection. I should have about 11-12 cases in here...it's supposedly a 24 case capacity but it'll be tough to achieve that with various large format wines and a couple of wooden boxes. The CdP and Achaval Ferrer aren't any indication of what's inside...the visible wines on the bottom right are all pretty much Washington State...Kerloo, Rasa "Plus One", and a few others. 

Happy Thanksgiving all...

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Reply by Degrandcru, Nov 21, 2012.

Thank you... It's a natural floor, meaning the stones are laid above the plain dirt, which gives the whole cellar a nice natural environment. It cools it down and keeps the humidity above 70%. Many old houses in Europe have this kind of floor in their cellars from the time before artificial cooling was invented.

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Reply by zufrieden, Nov 23, 2012.

Nice stuff.  While that step-down cellar is wonderful (and I am slightly jealous), I feel a bit better now that most of us have adapted certain special spaces for those treasures we collect.  A great little post and lots of fun.

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Reply by CheloSpahn, Nov 25, 2012.

Seeing everyone is uploading their photos I will not be kept behind!

Here's my cellar!

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Reply by EMark, Jan 9, 2013.

We may have a new leader in the Very Cool Looking Wine Storage category.  My brother sent me this link that shows a Spiral WIne Cellar.

 

Those steps look a little spooky to me.

 

 

Personally, I'm going to stick with the "those steps look spooky" excuse so I don't even have to consider the financial reality.

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Reply by Craig Bilodeau, Jan 11, 2013.

That cellar is great!  I wonder if you can buy different sizes (both diameter and depth).  While it is probably not practical, I like the idea of winding down a spiral staircase into the subterranean depths to retrieve a bottle of Pétrus.  Ah, the fantasy!



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