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Tempranillo, Californication style...

Posted by napagirl68, Mar 3, 2010.

I realize that most tempranillos are from Spain.  I have had a few GREAT Cali Tempranillos...  Since we are getting into that season... that of grilling very spicy, interesting things on the grill, I thought I would ask for personal recommendations of CALIFORNIA Tempranillos.  I am being so stringent and difficult as to region because my tribe has a Cali palate that I have been unable to change thus so far.  Sooo.. Amador??  Paso Robles????  Livermore???   would love your suggestions on this GREAT varietal.

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Reply by dmcker, Mar 3, 2010.

So what are you going to have to do to open your 'tribe' up to Italian sangiovese?

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Reply by napagirl68, Mar 3, 2010.

@ dmcker  - I really don't know.  Everytime I serve an Italian, spanish, or even French wine to my friends, they say they don't care for it.  They freely admit they have Cali palates, and don't understand why I would serve wine from other areas when, in their words, we have the best wine right here in our backyard.

Sooo, any California Tempranillo ideas??

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Reply by gregt, Mar 3, 2010.

So I guess your friends certainly don't subscribe to the idea that wine around the world has been "Parkerized" and "globalized" and regions are losing their distinction.

I think the main problem is that there isn't a lot of tempranillo planted in CA.  It was never really even considered.  So they'll have a big learning curve and people will try some of them, pronounce them "not Spanish" and that will be it.  Kind of like they did with sangiovese.  There's no reason CA can't produce remarkable wines from all those grapes, but the growers will need to learn more about them and people will need to discard their preconceptions about varietal "correctness". 

Actually, I think that the place for tempranillo would be the cooler places in the WA mountains perhaps.  Remember, it's not making great wine all over Spain- mostly in the northern, cooler regions.  So they should look to places like that.  Perhaps where they're growing some of the better pinot noir and syrah?  But that means it has to compete with those fashionable grapes, so who knows. 

Let us know if you find any remarkable tempranillo. I've had some, not overly impressive yet but I'm expecting some to be.

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Reply by napagirl68, Mar 4, 2010.

I have had some decent tempranillos from Livermore Valley and from Paso Robles.  Problem is I cannot remember the wineries.. which is why I posed the question.  Hmmm ... maybe I need a tasting trip...

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Reply by gregt, Mar 4, 2010.

Go here:

http://www.tapasociety.org/

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Reply by boatdrinker, Mar 4, 2010.

I had an '04 Parador in Napa - i believe it was a Temperanillo/Cab blend.  Was wonderful, especially for the price.

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Reply by dmcker, Mar 4, 2010.

Great link, Greg.


http://www.tapasociety.org /

Also:

TAPAS - Tempranillo Advocates Producers and Amigos Society on Facebook

 

Mark et al., since your text editor upgrade you have a bug (or rather just poor funcitonality) with conversion of your cut-and-paste of URLs to hotlinks. Improvement needed!

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Reply by GlassMountainInnPaul, Mar 4, 2010.

Viader on the side of Howell Mountain in the Napa Valley has a great one. Check them out for this and other great reds.

www.viader.com

paul@glassmountaininn.com

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Reply by gregt, Mar 4, 2010.

That's completely awesome Paul!  I love Viader, have been drinking it since I first encountered it years ago.  Always loved the idea that they had some cab franc in the wine and it wasn't over the top.  I have some of the Dare CF and never even heard of the temp.  I never even thought about it but if I were to select a producer to do a good job with the grape, Viader would be on the list.

Great info.  Now how to get some for next week.

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Reply by GlassMountainInnPaul, Mar 4, 2010.

Greg, you should be able to buy from them either through the web site or by phone. Last time I wanted some they were already out of 750ml bottles so I had to buy splits.....

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Reply by napagirl68, Mar 5, 2010.

Paul.. THANKS for the Viader recommendation... and CF too??  I will see if they have a tasting room and go there ASAP!!  :-) :-)  I think I may become the spokesperson for the Howell Mtn appellation!  LOL!!

dmcker.. thanks for the link!!!!!!

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Reply by GlassMountainInnPaul, Mar 5, 2010.

Viader has one of the best views in the upper valley. Call ahead but GO! They have a great family of wines and when the weather is nice you do the tasting out on the deck.

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Reply by GlassMountainInnPaul, Mar 5, 2010.

By the way, if you like CF (or Zin or Cab) check out Titus Vineyards. They're at the base of Howell Mt right on the Silverado Trail. Call them and tell Christophe I sent you!

http://www.titusvineyards.com/titus/index.jsp

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Reply by corskier, Mar 6, 2010.

You're right on the money Greg, except you're thinking too far north.  There are a few producers in Southern Oregon doing exceptional things with the varietal.  Red Lily is doing amazing things from the Applegate and Rogue valleys, as well as Abacela up in the Umpqua.  Greg Jones at Southern Oregon University has done extensive climate analyses for Southern Oregon and determined the area to be best for growing spanish varietals.  The wine tells the truth of it, try some!  

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Reply by gudwine4me, Mar 7, 2010.

Napagirl, as queen of your tribe, it is your job...nay your duty, to bring Spain into the mix. Make it a blind tasting, decant each wine (...at a barbeque!!?  Do what you must), anything to broaden their palates and lessen the geographical bias.

As a fellow Cali resident, I couldn't agree more with the thread on California cabs.  Some of the best wine, but more frequently some of the worst wine comes from Napa (throw in the central valley...lets not go there). So you just have to do Spanish Tempranillo.

Suggestions:

Numanthia Termes (usually big fruit, should mesh with those Cali palates) Mid to high $20s. 2006, 2007 offered

Campo Viejo Riserva 10 bucks, old world. Have had 2004, see 2005 offered

El Coto 2005 Rioja Special Cuvee, 12 bucks a mix of the two.

Tried to keep the cost of leadership low, you can clearly spend much more.

 

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Reply by poutyhoney, Mar 13, 2010.

Howdy,

I also like the Campo Viejo, but a personal favorite is from Arroyo Robles.

http://www.arroyorobles.com/ourwines.html

scroll to bottom... it was recently moved to the members only offerings.

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Reply by Runningwineguy, Mar 16, 2010.

Clos du Bois makes a great one in ther reserve tier. The vines are around 35 plus and its very limited

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Reply by irasmith, Sep 2, 2010.

I just noticed this forum topic. Napagirl how did you do?

A slightly out of Cal. suggestion is tempranillo from southern OR -- Ashland area. Try Eden Vale winery -- 2005 tastes like it will be great with a couple of years of cellaring -- yes I know, you're short cellar space. This might be a way to get your family to expand their provincial tastes. ;-)

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Reply by TastingRoomLover, Sep 3, 2010.

Paso has been putting out some great Tempranillos -- check out Opolo and (surprise!) Meridian for their reserve (~500 cases total)

 

As for up north, I love Six Sigma's Tempranillo too...and still smile when I think of the reserve Clos du Bois T.

~D

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Reply by napagirl68, Sep 3, 2010.

Hi Irasmith,

I love Oregon, and will look into Eden Vale... not drinking too much reds now since summer, but find I am more into Cali Rhone varietals overall.... 

TRL-  yes, paso does have some good ones... Have tasted a few, can't remember which?  But I agree with that opinion..

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