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Snooth User: EMark

Sure Glad I live in California

Posted by EMark, Sep 9, 2013.

This may not be of interest to non-U.S. residents but today I stumbled onto this article on The Best States for Wine Lovers in the U.S.  This references a report by the American Wine Consumer Coalition.

Some highlights from the report include:

  • 36 states ban the shipment of wines from out-of-state retailers, thus prohibiting citizens from accessing many imported wines and joining most wine clubs.
  • 11 states ban the shipment of all wines, domestic and imported, from other states.
  • 17 states ban supermarket wine sales.
  • 15 states prohibit restaurants from encouraging patrons to "bring your own bottle."
  • Two states, Pennsylvania and Utah, control the sale and distribution of wine.

Like I say, I'm glad I live in California, and as much as I enjoy other things about these states, I'm really glad I don't live in Oklahoma or Pennsylvania.  It might be heresy to admit it here, but I do buy wine in supermarkets fairly often.  I don't really BYOB at restaurants very often, but I just do not understand why a state would not allow it.  (Oh.  Yes I do.  The state restaurant association makes sure of it.)

If you look at the article, that I've linked, it, in turn, has a link to the alleged Full Report.  That does not work.  I think this is the actual link.  



Reply by JonDerry, Sep 10, 2013.

It isn't too bad of a place to live afterall. Despite the taxes, traffic, and other issues.

Reply by Richard Foxall, Sep 11, 2013.

I'd say since they control what's available and at what price, Ohio counts as controlling wine, too.

But here's the real question: Did they include the "stumble out of bed and land in some vineyards" measure?  More Californians can do that than most folks outside France, Italy and (just because it's small and has lots of vines, but not a ton of great wine) Switzerland.

Now if we can just somehow deal with our water shortages, global warming, Pierce's disease and the non-wine issues JD mentions, it will be paradise, like it was when I was a kid and the population was about 1/3 of the current number.  At least the recession slowed the sprawl of miniMcMansions that were taking old vineyards out of production in areas like Oakley and Delhi. 

Reply by EMark, Sep 11, 2013.

No, Fox, the survey did not include the "stumble out of bed and land in some vineyards" measure.  I guess that in my case the nearest vineyard is about a 25-30 minute drive--and while wine produced from Cucamonga fruit can be very good, generally, it is not.

Regarding the various complaints mentioned above, I'm just happy that it doesn't snow here (at least where I live).  I had enough of that in my youth.   Everything else is just frosting on the cake, and I'm OK with the various minuses.


Reply by outthere, Sep 12, 2013.

If I didn't live in California I would probably be into something else, perhaps Budweiser and NASCAR, rather than wine.

Reply by Richard Foxall, Sep 12, 2013.

OT, if you lived in a different part of California, not the heart of the wines that most grabbed your interest, you might be into something else.  Somehow, I think Bakersfield wouldn't have been close enough to wine country to make that work out.  But you would have the most complete collection of Buck Owens and Merle Haggard records of anyone, and might have antique oil cans on your shelves.  Fair to say, whatever you got into, you'd do it with abandon. Brings up interesting questions about whether being into wine is objectively more satisfying, satisfaction being a subjective thing.  I know that I lost interest in a lot of things over time, while wine got more interesting. 3000 varieties of grapes that can be made into decent wine in just about every region humans can inhabit--it's pretty endless.  Or you can get deeply into one or two areas or varieties and follow vintages and vineyards in minute detail. 

But here's the thing about California that we all know:  It's practically a country in size and variety.  If you want car racing, we have that.  (And you can be into that and wine, right, Emark?) And somehow, even with our more than ridiculous legislators, we manage to pass some decent laws and avoid some bad ones so that we can drink not just our own wine, but wines from everywhere. 

Reply by duncan 906, Sep 12, 2013.

I am amazed at what EMARK has said in his opening post.I thought the United States had got over Prohibition? This is not how it is in the UK or anywhere else in the EU

Reply by lingprof, Sep 23, 2013.

I about had a *heart attack* when I moved to PA from so cal for grad school and found out I could not buy wine in the supermarket.  I almost just turned around and left.  Foxall's point about size is a good one.  Where Emark and I are, we also have mountains and snow that you can get to easily, but don't have to scrape off your car.  On the west side, there is a restaurant with opus one and insignia in the enomatic.  it all depends what you are looking for.

however, I did discover that can ship to PA so I sent a care package to my BFF from grad school who is still there...

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