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Secret Santa 2013 for wine. The Reveal! The Guesses! So are we ready to find out how close we were?

Original post by outthere, Oct 18, 2013.


The reveal has begun.

  • Open your package
  • Share your gift with the Community
  • Take a guess at who sent it to you



  1. Lingprof - 2010 Rockpile Ridge Cabernet
  2. Napagirl68 - 2012 Failla Sonoma Coast Pinot Noir 
  3. JonDerry - 2001 Miguel Merino Rioja Reserva and 2005 Infinito Malbec 
  4. Foxall - 2010 Ogier Saint-Joseph 
  5. Outthere - 2011 Holdredge Pinot Noir "Mazie Rose" 
  6. vinOvinO - 2008 Domaine de la Terre Rouge L'Autre 
  7. TBandCWFJourney - 2010 Cabot Pinot Noir Anderson Valley 
  8. JenniferT -  2007 Marques de Riscal Rioja Reserva 
  9. Greg Dal Piaz - 2008 Scherrer Sonoma County Pinot Noir & 2010 Scherrer RRV Pinot Noir
  10. GregT - 2003 Emido Pepe Montepulciano d'Abruzzo
  11. Lucha Vino - 2010 Bedrock Syrah "T n S" Hudson Vineyard Carneros 
  12. SecretSanta - 2011 Robert Ramsay Le Mien 


  1. Lingprof - JenniferT
  2. Napagirl - GregT
  3. Jon Derry - GregT
  4. Foxall - Outthere
  5. Outthere - Lingprof
  6. vinOvinO - Foxall
  7. TBandCWFJourney - Outthere
  8. JenniferT - GregT or TBandCWFJourney
  9. Greg Dal Piaz - ?
  10. GregT - Greg Dal Piaz
  11. Lucha Vino - SS
  12. Secret Santa - Lucha Vino


Actual Secret Santas:

  1. Lingprof - Foxall
  2. Napagirl - JenniferT
  3. Jon Derry - GregT
  4. Foxall - Outthere
  5. Outthere - Lingprof
  6. vinOvinO - Napagirl
  7. TBandCWFJourney - Jon Derry
  8. JenniferT - TBandCWFJourney
  9. Greg Dal Piaz - vinOvinO
  10. GregT - Greg Dal Piaz
  11. Lucha Vino - Secret Santa
  12. Secret Santa - Lucha Vino

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Reply by Lucha Vino, Nov 24, 2013.

I'm with Vino and Fox and hope I can get some of those cocktail napkins! 

Any day is good with me.  I'm anxious, but keeping my gift a secret until the big day.

Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Nov 29, 2013.

I don't know what's going on.

Reply by JonDerry, Nov 29, 2013.

I guess we're opening the boxes/declaring what wines we received starting on Tuesday the 2nd. Then drinking them whenever.

Reply by outthere, Nov 29, 2013.

Nothing yet GDP, the idea is to reveal the wines over the course of the next week and then try to guess who our Santa is.

Reply by Richard Foxall, Nov 29, 2013.

So I gave away earlier what my wine was, and I speculated on who my SS was.  I had the idea that it was either OT, who is my spirit guide in the world of Syrah (it was St. Joseph)--we seem to share the same tastes in that area.  But he would send Cali, right? On the other hand, he knows how much California Syrah I have on hand already, since we've talked about it and purchased it together on occasion.  So then I thought maybe it's GdP, who overheard me complaining about how little N. Rhone Syrah there is, period.  And, of course, JD has been on a jag lately, but he has a particular favorite St. Joseph, and this isn't that one.

So now I'm back to square one, so I'll hold off on my final guess until Tuesday.

Reply by GregT, Dec 2, 2013.

Well I'm out of town for a few days starting Tuesday and will only have intermittent access to this forum, so I'm posting mine now and will check back in a few days.

It's Emido Pepe Montepulciano d'Abruzzo 2003

For those who don't know the wines, they're of a type. They do the wine in cement and then age it in cement for 2 years before bottling. Sometimes they keep the wines for fifteen or twenty years and they refresh each bottle before release. Their wines age forever.

In a way they're like the Lopez de Heredia of Tuscany and in fact, one day I introduced Sofia, who is the fourth generation owner/winemaker at Pepe to Maria Jose, who is the third generation owner at LdH. Different wines - the wines from Pepe are much more random, but both are organic, natural, and blah blah blah.

Anyhow, I'm quite happy with this selection - it's very thoughtful actually and quite off the beaten track for sure. I have some vintages of this wine, tasted it with Sofia a couple times when she was in town, and I'm super happy with the selection. Thank you whoever sent it.

Now as to guesses, that's a tough call. It would have to be someone who knows Italian wine and who's smart enough to know about Chambers Street Wines, which is where this is from. Looking at the list of suspects, I'm guessing that the Italian wine person would most likely be Greg DP?  Second guess would be Luca.

But whoever it was, thanks!

Reply by vin0vin0, Dec 3, 2013.

My SS did his/her research and saw that I'm a big fan of Rhone style wines, especially Tablas Creek.

I was given:

2008 Domaine de la Terre Rouge L'Autre, Sierra Foothills

Here are the specs from their web site:

L’Autre means “the other one”. This is now our top Rhône varietal blend. It has replaced Noir, a wine that was based on an old Placer County Grenache site that met its demise in 2002. The Grenache for L’Autre is better clonal material grown in what we consider to be a better location. The Duarte-Georgetown Vineyard is located at 2,500 feet near the town of the same name. Its Boomer series red, decomposed granite soils are what Grenache likes to grow in and the budwood is from Chateau Rayas, Beaucastel, and Remelluri in Rioja. The Mourvèdre is from a sandy, granite Coloma location.. The Syrah is from the Monarch Mine Vineyard, on a South-facing ridge to the North of the Georgetown Divide. This 2008 is very elegant, complex, and lively. Grenache’s savory plum and black cherry flavors, coupled with Mourvèdre’s smoky gaminess, and Syrah’s powerful punch and richness. This is a dead ringer for a top Southern Rhône, say a Châteauneuf-du-Pape or Gigondas.

This particular wine is a blend of 70% Grenache, 18% Syrah, and 12% Mourvèdre.

I haven't opened it yet and will be out of town for the next couple of days (Dad's 90'th birthday party this weekend).

Drinking dates say this will be best from 2014 - '17 but I've got an itchy trigger finger and will just have to count on a bit of air time to let this puppy open properly.  I'll follow up with my tasting notes, guessing weekend after next.

Now for my Secret Santa guess:

My SS appears to be from northern California since the package was shipped from there.

Looking over the list of participants this narrows down the suspects to:

Suspecting that my SS may also be on cellar tracker, I scoured the CT community for Domaine de la Terre.

One person in particular stood out on the list and turns out he has made purchases was from the Winemine, which just happens to be in Oakland.  Also, there was a mention of the winemine in one of the Pinot Throwdown posts talking about going to a Tablas Creek tasting.

One other clue was contained on the very nice card that was included with the wine.

Looking closely, the card was made by the Evergreen Press in Pleasant Hill, CA which is just ENE of Oakland.

So, taking everything into consideration I'd guess that Foxall is my SS.

Reply by napagirl68, Dec 3, 2013.

Wow... Foxy, you have very girly handwriting!

Reply by outthere, Dec 3, 2013.

"Wow... Foxy, you have very girly handwriting!"


My Secret Santa had a will-call pickup for me at Holdredge Wines in Healdsburg. When I arrived at the winery Carri Holdredge was there unloading sytro-shippers from her car. She said I had a very generous Secret Santa. On the countertop in the tasting from was a bottle of wine in a Christmas bag with "Merry Christmas from your Secret Santa" written across the front. Carri said my SS let John pick the wine.

Upon reveal I was very pleased to find a 2011 Holdredge "Mazie Rose" Pinot Noir. Haven't tasted it since last March when it was a mere infant. We were at the winery on Barrel Tasting Weekend for a VIP barrel sampling back in the barrel room with John. Afterwards he poured through his current lineup which included the Mazie Rose. Can't wait to try it again but am going to wait until my better half is drinking again (took a break with a recent surgery).

If I was to guess it would have to be between the four participants who were at the Pinot Throwdown. GDP, LP, JD and Fox since they all knew what a fan of Johns wines I am and since the Holdredge I had brought to the throwdown was corked.

If it were GDP, though he really enjoyed his tasting with John earlier in the year, I think I would have received something of which I couldn't pronounce the name. This is one reason why I think GregT made a pretty good guess on his SS.

If it was Jon Derry I think I would have received a Burgundy since he has already gifted me a Syrah in a Pierre Gonon St Joseph and Burgs are his go-to wines these days.

If it were Foxall I think it would have been something in his $25-$35 wheelhouse since he thrives on finding great wines in that price range and it might have been a Spaniard as I think he wants me to branch out. The Holdredge retails around $50. Not saying Fox is cheap, but that he is well schooled and able to find a great wine for less.

Seeing John Holdredge was allowed to choose that also narrows things down.

  1. A guy would want control over the wine choice. That's just the way we are.
  2. GDP knows John's wines and would have made the choice based on his tasting experience. Ditto goes for Fox.
  3. JD would have done a Burg before a RRV Pinot.
  4. Girls can come up with great ideas you may never expect of them. I know, I live with the best of the lot! So, by the process of elimination...

Drumroll please.... 

My guess is LingProf


Winemaker Notes:

Each year, as Carri and I taste through all the various wines as they rest in tank before bottling, we always finish with this one- it’s from the vineyard where we lived when we first were married, and it’s been a part of our wine life together. Whenever we're nearby, we always drive by to check it because it's such a special place to us. The current owner/growers, Steve and Linda Perkins, are doing a great job, and the place has never looked better, and the wines keep getting better.

The soils are a clay loam with a lot of gravel left over from the great floods. These are not the deep rich “valley floor” soils, and the vines work pretty hard to produce a tiny crop. There are five different clones (a sixth was planted this year); four Dijon clones (it was the third planting of clone 828 in California), and a Classic French clone called “Pommard”. The Pommard ripens later than the Dijon clones, and the vineyard is too tiny to pick on multiple passes, so we tend to get pretty ripe flavors from the Dijon clones.
From the day we brought the grapes in, I thought it one of the stars of our vintage. It is, to be sure, a very dark and extracted wine. Definitely more black fruit than red fruit here. It is a wine that has depth, weight and grace, and quite a bit of power. But it remains supple and round, and doesn’t give up an inch of that richness despite the very solid acidity.
When we got to tasting this wine, Carri just said “Wow. That’s beautiful”. From one of the toughest critics of my wines that I know, that’s high praise indeed. I couldn’t agree more.

Reply by Tbandcwfjourney, Dec 3, 2013.

I received a Cabot 2010 Pinot Noir Anderson Valley   

I reviewed most of the Pinot throwdown thread and a few others.  Based on snooth info i have two guesses.  The first guess is; Outthere because i find more supporting "evidence".

Because of the foodie i am, busy planning the Christmas meal centered around the Wine, roast duck, don't like oyster stuffing so we may go with rockefeller and a winter beet-sunflower pesto salad.

Reply by JenniferT, Dec 3, 2013.

Ooooohhh....Ahhhhh. Neat to see other people's gifts. (Also - vinovino - happy birthday to your dad! What an occasion! I really hope that I am fortunate enough to be able to celebrate my dad's 90th with him down the road.)

My secret santa was also good to me! I'm quite pleased to say that I have been given a Rioja, which is really great timing because Rioja has been one of the things I've been exploring a bit more lately. (I was lucky enough to try a few over the weekend, including an all-too-rare chance to do a vertical tasting.)

I have the Marques de Riscal Rioja Reserva 2007. From their website, I found out that it is 90% tempranillo and 10% Graciano+Mazuelo. Riscal reservas get 2 years in American oak which seems like it will suit my tastes just fine because I like oak to be supportive and more in balance with my wine, if that makes any sense. I guess it's possible that I'll put it down for a few years, but realistically it's far more likely that I'll cave in in the near future and decant it to enjoy with a rack of lamb. :)

As far as my guessing, I'm guessing relatively blind as I have no idea as to what region my sender is in. And I am also a relatively new snoother. A big part of the fun of trying to take a stab at this one was reviewing some of my past conversations with many of was really great to do that since I've been fortunate enough to have some great discussions with you guys in the time I've been here.

And it was helpful to go back and review some of the information I've gotten from many of your great posts and responses.

As for my guess, I'm still at a bit of a loss. I will guess GregT since we have had some good discussion about Muga and other Spanish producers in Rioja. However GregT seems like he is good to make informed contributions on quite a variety of subjects, so that undermines my confidence. On the other hand, I can imagine this wine being recommended by the people at the store from which it came. So I'm also going to guess tcandcwfwinejourney, since she is also pretty new to snooth (like myself).

Weak guesses aside, I can only assume that I can take my gift as sufficient evidence of my good behaviour this year. Thanks, Santa!  :)

Reply by SecretSanta, Dec 3, 2013.

I'm liking the thinking behind the guesses here as much as I am liking the wines that were received. Good choices Santas!

Since I drew the pairings I already knew who my SS was so I will stay quiet until everyone has had a chance to guess theirs. Hey OT, how about a picture?

Reply by vin0vin0, Dec 3, 2013.

Yes NG, "he" has very nice hand writing, thinking someone was trying to be a bit sneaky, that along with the mailing label that was attached to the package I'm guessing it might have gone through a 3rd party for mailing.

Here's the GSM, I'm really looking forward to crackin' this one open, we have a beef bourguignon recipe that I'm sure this would be killer with!


Reply by outthere, Dec 3, 2013.

Journey, that Cabot rocks! Enjoy.

Here's my Holdredge.

Reply by napagirl68, Dec 3, 2013.

My Secret Santa sent me a bottle of 2012 Failla Sonoma Coast Pinot Noir.  I have no clue as to who sent this, as it was shipped via KLWINES, so it could've come from anywhere.   I haven't tasted Failla before, so I am VERY looking forward to trying this wine!  With little clues to go on, I will take a guess, based on:  1.  It was shipped via a large, reputable wine vendor (person is prolly not living in NorCA).  2.  It was not from someone's cellar, so they prolly don't have a lot of pinot.  Hmmm...  who doesn't have a lot of pinot on hand?!?  So of course I got interested in this winery, as I haven't seen it mentioned here on the thread....  but wait!   I actually did remember seeing Failla mentioned in the last few months.  It was with regard to a syrah tho, I believe, not a pinot.  And the poster was GregT.   Sooo, my guess is GregT!  How fitting that the one who openly detests pinot sends a pinot!  It's a wild guess, but I don't have much to go on.  Whoever my Santa is, a big xoxoTHANK YOU!!!  I can't wait to pop this baby open... but I will be patient and give it some time :-)

Reply by outthere, Dec 3, 2013.

Failla is the new, 6 years, gig for Ehren Jordan who was the winemaker for Turley for many years. Thelabel  takes his wife's maiden name. Pinot, Chard, Syrah... I bet you'll like it.

Reply by napagirl68, Dec 3, 2013.
  Reply by outthere, 5 minutes ago.

Failla is the new, 6 years, gig for Ehren Jordan who was the winemaker for Turley for many years. Thelabel  takes his wife's maiden name. Pinot, Chard, Syrah... I bet you'll like it.

Are you my Santa, OT?


Reply by outthere, Dec 3, 2013.

Napagirl68 asked: "Are you my Santa, OT?"


No NG, I am not your Santa.

Reply by napagirl68, Dec 3, 2013.

A few things....

First, OT, the wine I got was a 2012, not a 2008 as listed in the OP.

Secondly, for all educated guessers out there, FYI- snooth forum keyword searches are flawed to some degree.  They come up in some random fashion that I don't understand- dates of posts are all over the place, and relevance is not a factor.  So guess carefully ;-) ;-)

Reply by Lucha Vino, Dec 4, 2013.

Santa Rocks!

I've been curious about Bedrock for quite some time.  So, I was very happy to open my gift tonight!

Here are a few details Secret Santa sent to me:


2010 Hudson Vineyard T'n'S Blocks

Napa Carneros

Starting in 2010 I will be splitting the Hudson Syrahs into two bottlings based on the two distinctly different parts of Hudson Ranch. The Hudson TnS is composed of two beautiful blocks of Syrah (and a dash of Viognier) from the south ranch. T, planted in 1993 for my good friend and partner in Abrente, Michael Havens, is composed primarily of Syrah Noir clone. S, planted more recently, is Alban-selection. In 2010 I cofermented the two blocks together after picking at 24.1 brix (as usual I was the first to pick out of the vineyard which seems to be becoming a theme). For structure and spice I included 40% whole-clusters, which were foot trod and added to the bottom of the open-top fermenter. Fermentation, as always, was done with native yeasts. The wine was transferred to a variety of new demi-muids (600 liter barrels) and older French. The wine stayed on lees until racking for bottling in December of 2011. As with most of my Syrahs this is an ageworthy wine, that is going to need some time to unwind and come into itself.

I love Syrah that includes whole clusters so I'm really looking forward to giving this one a try.  Santa warned me to give this 4-5 hours of decanter time and then enjoy over several days.  Sign me up, I'm ready for that mission.

I have uncovered several clues to my Secret Santa's identity.  The only thing I will divulge is that my Secret Santa is THE Secret Santa.  I will hold SS's identity in confidence so I can stay on the nice list. :-)

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