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Rhone 2007 v. Rhone 2010

Posted by Richard Foxall, Sep 28, 2012.

Anyone noticing how RP is carefully measuring his response to what many agree is the amazing 2010 vintage in the S. Rhone?

"The amazing 2010 Cotes du Rhone-Villages Terre d'Argile may be just as good as the 2007. A black/ruby color is followed by abundant aromas of cassis, blackberries, black cherries, licorice and a hint of charcoal. The wine possesses good acidity, a full-bodied mouthfeel and terrific precision. It is a big wine that should age well for up to a decade. "

Lots of those comments out there by RP.  Hmm.  Maybe he over-hyped the 2007s?  Frankly, I've liked the 2009s better than the 2007s, so I can only imagine how good the 2010s I am buying will be...


Reply by GregT, Sep 28, 2012.

I think a lot depends on how much is left in the glass as the notes are written!

Not to be a nudge, but I really didn't like most of the 2007 S. Rhones I tasted, finding them really ripe and alcoholic and unpleasant. And I tasted lots of different wine made by Phillipe Cambie, who's supposed to be such an astounding winemaker. A few 2009s showed better to me, as they weren't quite as overdone, but many of them were as well.  I was kind of hoping for a 2005 style vintage but it really depends on the winemaker.

So I haven't tried a lot of 2010, which is shaping up to be an excellent year in places like Rioja and Ribera del Duero in Spain, which is where I'll probably spend more time.

Reply by JonDerry, Sep 28, 2012.

2010, so filled with promise...I'm liking how I can almost completely ignore (that's the plan anyway) bordeaux blends and focus more on what I've been missing.

Not surprising that Parker may back-track a little, but he's stuck with what he said about 2007 and has to tailor his comments as such I guess.

Reply by Richard Foxall, Sep 28, 2012.

GregT, if you have recommendations for those RdD wines, especially in the modestly priced range, $15-25, I'm all ears. And maybe one or two top picks for the 25-40 range?  I've been out of those since my Tempranillo tasting with my father. 

I've said it elsewhere that I have been less than overwhelmed by the S. Rhone '07s and preferred, even in the same wines, the '09s as a rule.  I've got a few '05s but I haven't opened them because they're all supposed to be long agers.  Dom Sta Duc Gigondas and Vieux Lazaret CdP Cuv Exceptionnelle--I've got the Lazaret from '07, so it would be an interesting comparison, and maybe I'll wait a few years and throw the '09 in the mix when I find it.

Isn't '10 also supposed to be one of those years where both S. Rhone and N. Rhone are excelling?  Or is it just vintage of the millenium everywhere, every year now?

Reply by JonDerry, Sep 29, 2012.


Note from Molesworth regarding 2010 CdP and comparing past vintages, 2010 has it all, and with slightly lower yields which often means a plus for quality.
2010 Chateauneufs
James Molesworth raved about the 2010 Chateauneuf du Papes in the August 8, 2012 Insider: "So far, I’ve blind-tasted over 400 Southern Rhônes from the 2010 vintage, with more to go. Right now, 2010 looks to be the most compelling vintage in the Southern Rhône I have tasted since I began covering the region. The wines combine the ripe, vivid fruit of warm years like ’07 and ’09 with the tannic spine of a classic vin de garde year such as ’05, all laced with mouthwatering acidity from a racy vintage like ’01. It’s a rare combination that has resulted in many producers hitting high-water marks with their wines,... The vintage is exciting throughout the south, not just in the glamour appellation of Châteauneuf-du-Pape ..." However, yields were down 20 to 40 percent for many producers, so you may need to move fast to get the wines you want.
Reply by Richard Foxall, Oct 5, 2012.

Add Jancis to the shouting:

"Wine lovers in search of great French wine whose prices have not (yet) been inflated by demand from Asia are currently able to choose from two great vintages (2009 and 2010) in the northern Rhône...having already started my tastings of the 2010 vintage in Burgundy and the Rhône, I must urge those of you who like wines from these two great French wine regions to try to put a bit of money aside (ha!) to invest in the 2010s from them. After the unusually ripe, relatively low acid wines made in 2009, the 2010s typically show considerably more precision and freshness, and more supple tannins in the case of the southern Rhône."

Reply by JonDerry, Oct 6, 2012.

Preaching to the choir, I agree with Jancis wholeheartedly.

Reply by Richard Foxall, Sep 11, 2013.

Well, I had to revive this thread or make a new one, and that seemed redundant.  Put Eric Asimov on the list of people lauding the 2010 CdPs.

I had already laid in a bunch of 2010s at the entry level.  Love the Donjon because they don't jack you around with multiple bottlings, but that went up $20 after the ratings came out.  I also put aside some Mont Olivet, some Cristia, Fortia, Galet Roules, to go along with some St. Siffrein.  JonDerry bought some complementary bottles, and we have planned a meet-up in '15 or '16 somewhere on the Central Coast to do a big horizontal.  (We've also got '09 and '10 miniverticals of a bunch of them.) But I succumbed after reading this article and bought a couple bottles of the Montpertuis (that $37 price is NY only, lowest in the country, but I paid scarcely more at $40). JD, the Boilauzon is available at K&L by you for a few bucks less if you are interested.  (I am thinking I might grab two of those also, but wished I had looked for it first.)

I expect that after a short period of the prices on these dropping,  K&L and the rest will do what they did with that Donjon and raise the prices. 

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