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Snooth User: Reggie Hoffman

Purchasing Charles Shaw Wine - Two Buck Chuck

Original post by Reggie Hoffman, Dec 8, 2010.

I am in upper New York State and I have looked all over the internet looking to purchase this wine. I need some information please- Help

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Reply by outthere, Dec 12, 2010.

"I suspect wine won't succumb to the same relentless downward spiral that has afflicted shoes, appliances, and power tools, to name three items that aren't anywhere near the quality they used to be"


That statement is very subjective as well unfortunately.

Marketing to the lowest common denominator is nothing new. It's simply experiencing a renaissance in the wine industry due to economic conditions and peoples buying power. Here is another perfect example. 5,000 people took the time to look it up and say they like it. 10 times that of $2 Chuck. Will it last? Most of us probably hope not but it is what it is. I have the ability to change channels on my TV or simply turn it off when it does not appeal to me. I can do the same thing with wine. If someone else likes it, more power to them.

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Reply by gregt, Dec 12, 2010.

"Funny how almost any post can turn into, what's happening to wine?  (Parker, fruit bombs, consolidation, "international" varietals...) The answer is always going to be the same: Lots is happening to wine. . ." 

 

Best line yet!

And the downward spiral that's affected power tools - don't even start.  When I was small, my Dad had a little drill.  Had a metal case.  Now they're plastic.  You drop it and it's useless.  Same with my circular saw.

I don't even think marketing to the lowest common denominator is enjoying a resurgence - I think it's just changed form.  Remember the wine cooler commercials from the 70s?  They sold a lot of "wine".  Then when those were considered passe, Orson Welles did those commercials where he said "We will sell no wine (LONG PAUSE), before its time.It was considered more sophisticated to drink real wine instead of the coolers.  Then the white Zin phase and when the fern bars started showing up, the Chardonnay phase.  Wine has become more popular and more people understand it and the marketing has kept pace. 

Rosemount did a good marketing job too.  They took out ads in the WSJ long before TBC was even concieved.  The wine wasn't even all that bad and they still sell millions of cases yearly.  And of course the Bordeaux futures campaign is all about moving product - even lowest common denominator product. 

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Dec 12, 2010.

There's a variant of Gresham's Law ("Bad money drives out good when exchange rates are fixed") that applies to used cars and diluted milk.  A friend who cares about tools quite a lot pointed out its applicability to a wide variety of things.  And it will apply to wine in the mass market.

GregT flatters me, as I consider him the Master of Pith, but I think I just stated the obvious, about these forums and about wine. One thing he did not mention was my further comment that, compared to cars and appliances, even shoes and tools, entry barriers to making wine are low.  With all the overcapacity, wineries are letting anyone who can pay cash up front use the facilities, from what I can see.  And it's not always a lot of cash.  Downside is that wine is still labor intensive at the front end, and time sensitive. And, at the back end, there's the problem of marketing costs and distribution channels.  A wine maker who produces good wine at a cost of a few bucks a bottle still has to sell it or he/she loses his/her shirt. And then you have to compete with the shiners/second labels/negociants who are selling $25 Acacia PN for $8. But I see really bad (just my opinion, mind you) yet readily availablee wine at prices about the same as some great values.  Lots happening, and it's buyer beware.  At least we have choices.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Dec 12, 2010.

outthere: Wow, I lost an hour of my life reading the thread on wineberserkers. Thankfully I wasn't drawn into the seminar on "The Closing of the American Mind," or I would have lost another four years.  Last thing I need is another degree in the humanities. Goes to show that the only difference between the opinionated wine drinkers and the opinionated wine makers is that they actually know (some of) the science of what they are talking about.  Loved the one-upsmanship about the colors of the seeds. 

Oh, yeah, did we answer the question once and for all:  You can buy TBC at Trader Joe's, but only at three of them in Massachusetts, if I recall GDD's information about that state's alcohol laws. Luckily none of my friends would serve me TBC, so I still don't have an incentive to move back to the Bay State.

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Reply by Girl Drink Drunk, Dec 12, 2010.

I think the OP's in NY.  There are TJs upstate, maybe?

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Dec 12, 2010.

When I went to school in Ithaca, there were only about a dozen Trader Joe's, and they were all in Southern Cal.  Long time ago. Absolutely NY State has TJ's--there's one by my mother in law's house, to the delight of my children.  But if you check the TJ's website, there aren't any in the area of Ithaca, Buffalo, Albany, Rochester, Binghamton.  Double checked with a map site or two. So maybe that's why the curiosity.

I did remember that the poster was asking about NY. I was just being snarky about the laws in MA because you can buy TBC at every TJ's in the US except the the ones in MA. Just three of those can sell it, correct?  MA is looking better if I think of it that way. Inviting a heaping dose of scorn from the relativists... ;-)

To whom I make this Confession: I like the occasional fruit bomb, if that means a wine that is good right out of the bottle the day it's released and tastes like, well, fruit. Just not overpriced, unbalanced, oaky messes that cost a ton.

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Reply by Girl Drink Drunk, Dec 12, 2010.

Should I be snarky and post the super rude, hate mail james, aka Lefty, sent me?  I'm tempted to.  ;)

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Reply by outthere, Dec 12, 2010.

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Dec 12, 2010.

Wow did you guys eat a bunch of bad eggs over the weekend?

Some poor Snoother asks where to find a wine and ends up starting World Wine War IV.

I do agree with GDD that wines produced by people like Charles Shaw will be extremely variable.  We have plenty of bulk wine speculators in Australia who buy either bulk wine or cheap excess grapes and contract make them into a cleanskin cheap wine or some totally unrecognisable label. Occasionally good but generally very ordinary wine.

Whilst we continue to have a massive global oversupply of wine the phenonema will continue.

My personal view is that I continue to buy wines from makers I trust and from recommendations from people like those who contribute to Snooth.

But as said by a couple of people on this thread and as I have said there is significant demand for cheaper wine.

Historically over 85% of all wine sold is at below USD10, AUD10, EUR10 and GBP5 per 750ml bottle.  Yes occasionally a gem will turn up in this price point but there is a crap load of wine you need to sift through to find these bargains unless you have some reliable intel.

Hopefully the eggs are better this week!

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Dec 12, 2010.

SH, do you have a recommendation for eggs that you can pass along? Preferably artisanal high acid eggs, and not those yolk bombs the masses like.;-)

 

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Reply by dmcker, Dec 12, 2010.

Well, if you really like egg whites, Foxall, then I guess there's no point in even talking to you.... ;-)

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Reply by outthere, Dec 12, 2010.

Yolk bombs? Whatever, buddy!

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Dec 12, 2010.

Foxall

There is a new magazine out

Chicken Advocate

They have a senior Egg reviewer called

rekrap trebor snr

Apparently now the modern Egg must be late hatched to enhance the yolk power and a much stronger palate experience leading the consumer to becoming eggstatic and eggcited about this flavour sensation.

Rumours of chicken farmers supplying free eggs is a nastry rumour started on the world famous chicken site Kayeffsee, as part of one off their hotly debated forum threads on which is better, boiled, scrambled, poached or fried.

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Reply by napagirl68, Dec 13, 2010.

Hi all... I am not snarky.. at least I REALLY try not to be.  I have even defended the snarked upon (although they deserved it).  I prolly have snarked here and there, but it must have been something close to my heart.

When I originally read this thread, I chose not to respond.  But I have changed my mind, as all women are entitled to. 

OP- PLEASE, I IMPLORE YOU, do NOT purchase, drink, gift, or any other transaction with this nasty, vile, poison SWILL!!   Variablity is one problem.  Cheap-ass nasty wine that will leave you with a headache to rival none, is another.  I have had this.. If you read some of my prior posts, I talk about a friend who LOVES to bring this vile poison into my house.  I drank it ONCE...   It is like a child who decides they kinda want to see what paint tastes like?   And they try it... NEVAH again!!!   

Not in ANY way meaning to insult those who do like this wine, but I will say this:   There is so much better out there- you don't need to go to this level- quality takes some investigation and time... all the advice I would theoretically give to my daughter who might be dating a LOSER.

Move on...

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Dec 13, 2010.

NG

I agree wholeheartedly, there is nothing wrong with expressing an opinion that some wine is in balance not worth drinking.

We are spoilt for choice and all we can do is tell people about what we think is good so they can try it.

Regards

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Reply by napagirl68, Dec 13, 2010.

SH- I said it with tough love and caring... for all my wine friends out there who might drink this and accept it as "decent" wine.  UGGHH!  Such a waste, and such settling.  find something better.. not hard to do.

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Reply by rahnjoseph, Dec 13, 2010.

I dont know about any store on that state but i recommend the website if you want to purchase the wines online and its cost real cheap purchasing wines online.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Dec 13, 2010.

SH, outthere, dmcker:  I have heard rumors that Santa Rosa egg farm is selling double yoked eggs that were produced by reverse osmosis or spinning cones.  If I can find the link on eggberserkers, I will post it.

Okay, here's the funny thing:  World's biggest egg farms are in Sonoma County, birthplace of California wine making. Call it a coincidence if you like.

And in spite of my relativism in matters of taste (okay, mild relativism), I agree that one should not buy TBC, not even for cooking.  I think my pans would spit it out if I tried deglazing with it.  I admit to having had a sip of it once or twice at most.  But it made an impression.  Not a good one.

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Reply by rolifingers, Dec 13, 2010.

 Charles Shaw whites ( Sauvignon Blanc, Chardonnay) are ok when chilled properly but the reds I would definitely avoid.

  You can only get these at Trader Joe's at 14th st. NY, NY and they're running at $2.99 now

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Reply by outthere, Dec 13, 2010.

Okay, here's the funny thing:  World's biggest egg farms are in Sonoma County, birthplace of California wine making. Call it a coincidence if you like.

Foxall, Petaluma was known as the "Egg Basket of the World" in the early 1900's (we still refer to it as chicken town) and they still hold the annual Butter and Egg Days Parade every April. Rain or shine!



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