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Snooth User: steve666

Older Zin Showed Well -- Seghesio Sonoma 2007

Posted by steve666, Feb 15, 2013.

In years gone by I have drunk a lot of Zin, but it is almost always consumed within 2-3 years of the harvest.  I have let some high alcohol zins (specifically Opolo Mt Zin) go for 4 years and they had turned flabby and off tasting.  Last night I came across a bottle of Seghesio Sonoma 2007, which is their cheapest and simplest zin, and had it.  It was wonderful, very much like a fine well aged Cabernet.  Smooth, balanced, flowed smoothly across the palate and the finish was terrific.  I almost couldn't believe it.  This was important to me as I have perhaps a dozen bottles of Seghesio's better zins as well as two 3L bottles of 2010 Sonoma Zin.  I now see that I should be aging their zins for at least 5-7 years and the 3L bottles for perhaps 8-10, though the 2010 may not be as good as the 2007s were.  Being a club member I found I seldom kept a bottle more than a year or so after they mailed it to me.  Gotta find the discipline to hang onto my 2010s and 2011s.  

steve

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Reply by outthere, Feb 15, 2013.

I have a '91 Seghesio Reserve Old Vines that I plan to open in a couple weeks. wish me luck. Love Seghesio!

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Reply by amour, Feb 15, 2013.

Good luck!

Thanks for such valuable information, especially as more and more of us are into Zin!

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Reply by steve666, Feb 15, 2013.

Let us know how it was.

 

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Feb 15, 2013.

I've pretty regularly let my Taltys and Mauritson go 4, 5 even 6 years, but much past that, I wonder. Clay Mauritson jokes that his grandfather collected port and zinfandel.  Clay's memories of his grandfather are of exquisitely aged dessert wine and vinegar. 

That said, we'll be drinking 2001 Turley Duarte and 2003 Turley Pesenti this weekend.  Wish me luck, too!

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Reply by EMark, Feb 15, 2013.

Wow, that '91 Seghesio looks like a real gem, OT.  Please do let tell us about it when you open it up.  I was pretty late on the Seghesio bandwagon.  The oldest one I have are a couple '02 Home Ranch.

I do have a '91 Ridge Lytton Springs.  And in the category of "No Way Can I Drink This by Myself" I have a '95 Mag of the Ridge Lytton Springs and a Double Mag of '93 Montevina Amador County (purchased at a charity auction). 

Actually, one of the oldest wines in my cellar is a '78 Concannon Zinfandel.  As you might image there is a bit of a story behind that one.

Son-of-a-gun, I also have an '88 Dry Creek Vineyards Zin in there someplace.

Now the fact that I see these wines in my inventory does not mean that I will be able to find them.  OK, the big bottles are easy to find, but there is a good chance that those standard bottles are buried in there.

Y'know, one of these days there is going to be some sort of Snooth conclave up in SF/Wine Country that I am going to try to attend.  I should bring some of these.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Feb 15, 2013.

There was a plan for me to be down in SoCal over Presidents Day Weekend this year, but we got so busy with other travel (Wedding in Florida in March, home for two weeks then DC at the end of March, plus some other random plans like skiing and going to Mendo for MLK weekend) that we had to pull the plug.  JD and I were planning a mourvedre tasting, but that's gone by the wayside.

I don't want to wait this long to tip a glass with you, EMark, but I have definitely promised JD that we will be meeting up in Cambria or environs in 2015 or 2016 to do a huge CdP drinkoff.  (Some '09/'10 verticals, and a big horizontal of '10s.) 

But don't wait on those 750 sized zins--drink up and report back!

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Reply by gregt, Feb 15, 2013.

Steve - 2007 is only four or five years ago! That's not old dude!  If you had a wine from 2007 that had crapped out already, you have problems. Lots of wines aren't even released yet from 2007. Try some of those wines from the 1980s or even 1990s.

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Reply by JonDerry, Feb 15, 2013.

Had my first Turley last weekend, an 06' Duarte that wasn't stored very well (must have endured a few hot summers), but it still showed well, even if a little advanced for its age. Looking forward to hearing about the 01' Fox, good luck.

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Reply by outthere, Feb 15, 2013.

Y'know, one of these days there is going to be some sort of Snooth conclave up in SF/Wine Country that I am going to try to attend.  I should bring some of these.

 
2 weeks from tomorrow. Old Vine Field Blends and wood fired pizza at Rosso in Santa Rosa. 24 of us so far including 5 winemakers. Got 2 spots left.
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Reply by steve666, Feb 16, 2013.

GregT, by my primitive math, harvest 2007, assuming September, is 5 years , and 5 months ago.  Yes, Opolo Zins have started going down hill by the time they are 4+ years old -- or at least the few I have let last that long seemed to be.  I think I have a few more from 2006 & 2007, maybe I should crack one open to see if it has somehow corrected itself.   Yes, I have aged few wines, though kept some BV until 13 years old and some  a few others 10-12 years.    It has only been the last several years that I have bought substantially more wine than I could drink or pour for others, though am making good headway in formula of purchased over drunk or shared -- that number is approaching two or perhaps 2.5.  Takes a while to build up a good stash.  Oldest best wine I have had was about three years ago a 1982 or 1984 Haut Brion, and last year a 1949 Veuve Clicquot -- which was very oxidized but rather intriguing, and I don't really care for champagne.  So I have a long way to go to become experienced with good wines stored for twenty years or more.  

 

 

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Reply by gregt, Feb 16, 2013.

Yeah but you'd be surprised at how fast you end up with more wine than you thought you'd ever have!

I hope you know I'm busting your chops a little.

There are a few threads about aged wines but if you get something like a gran reserva from Spain, it can't even be released until it has a minimum of five years and usually they have much much older.  Barolo or Barbaresco riserva also requires additional aging - 60 months for some Baroli before they even hit the market. There are even aging requirements for Soave, requiring a minimum of 24 months aging.

Obviously those wines are in the minority, but five years is well within the young period for many wines. Zin is sort of tricky - most people say not to age them and that's probably right. But as a general rule I don't know that there's much development in most of them for the first 10 years.  You had a pretty good one - I like their wines. Cheers!

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Reply by steve666, Feb 16, 2013.

I have bought several gran reservas from spain for under $20 that were damn good.  Got some brunellos and nobili de monties and they don't come out until 5 years old also.  It is too bad wine isn't held longer.  I just bought a case of a CA cab that I hope turns out well.  I drank a bottle of their 2006 last year that was stupendous, searched for more without success and then found their 2010, bought the case, certainly doesn't present at all like the 2006, just hoping that it will turn out well in 2015 or so.  It is very hard for me not to drink the wines I like on the bet they will be better in the future, but now that I have maybe 600 bottles, I figure I am bound to miss drinking some that will just appear 5 years hence :-)

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Reply by gregt, Feb 16, 2013.

 It is very hard for me not to drink the wines I like on the bet they will be better in the future,

Yep! And as a rule of thumb, it's better to have them on the way up than on the way down!

Funny you mention the 2006 wines. A lot of people disliked that vintage but I'm thinking for much of Napa, I prefer it to the more lauded 2007s, and it's the wines from 2006 that I'm betting on for the future. Been burned by too many other Napa vintages that showed really well out of the gate, like 1997.

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Reply by steve666, Feb 16, 2013.

Wine on the way down story - my older bro bought my dad a bottle of mid-1950s bottle of Lafite in about 1962 or so, dad drinking Almaden Grenache rose in those days.  Dad put it away for a "special occasion."  Didn't open it when brother got his PhD, nor when other children got various prof degrees, nor when children married.  Didn't cellar it properly, often on a shelf high up in a closet in a warm room in Los Angeles in non-air cond house.  So finally, about 1995 we opened the bottle.... huge deposits, wine sort of brown straw color, slight wine flavor, terrible.... maybe this isn't a wine on the way down story, but an improper storage of wine story.  Definitely better to drink too soon

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Reply by EMark, Feb 16, 2013.

In the late 1990s my wife was involved in a few projects with Adelaida Cellars in Paso Robles.  At that time they were releasing some sparkling wines that already had some age on it--1984 vintage.  Through various events we came into possession of several bottles of this.  Over the course of a few years we'd take out a bottle and drink it, but, eventually, my wife decided she just did not like it.

The other day I was rummaging around the storage cellar trying to thin out some stuff (to make room for other stuff).  I found the last bottle of the Adelaida 1984 Methode Champenoise Blanc de Blancs and decided to put it in the refrigerator and drink it.  Last night I pulled it out of the refrigerator.

 

When I pulled the cork off there was not a big whoosh of pressurized carbon dioxide rushing out.  That surprised me a lillte.  I poured some into a glass and for a few seconds you could see bubbles, but they dissipated pretty quickly.  The wine was fairly bright yellow with no visible indication of oxidation.  On the palate it was not bad.  Very refreshing.  I might call it a slightly fizzy still wine.  The flavors were fine--some yeastiness and minerality that I seem to taste a lot in sparkling wines, some slight lemon and peach flavors--with, again no sign of oxidation that I fear from older wines.

I didn't make me want to seek out more Sparklers to put into storage, but it was fun to try.

 

 


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