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Snooth User: MReff

older Barolo's

Posted by MReff, Oct 3, 2009.

Greg,
You will be probably be the first to chime in here, so

What older Barolo's are worth purchasing? i know that the 1967 vintage is supposed to be notable. What are your thoughts? Are they holding on and do they have some life ahead for them.

Acker auctions has some for sale from 1967 as well as 1945....WOW

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Reply by ChipDWood, Oct 3, 2009.

I don't think Greg'll be the first to respond to the post. My bet's on that other Piedmont & risotto fan guy.

I don't know much about the older vintages about Piedmont- but you're shooting dtraight as can be about auctions right now. The deals that can be had, at this moment in particular, are kind of mind-blowing.

Get on your horse folks. Browse the online auction catalogs. The mid-tier Cali stuff is as cheap as it's ever been, even in great years. While ALL of Italy has been kinda-keepin' at it's value, places like Spain and Australia have fallen through the floor and are available for a song.

I wonder too, about the older Nebbiolo-based beauties, and eagerly await someone to answer this post.

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Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Oct 4, 2009.

Wow that's an open ended question if there ever was one. 67's are still sticking around but I'm not really buying anymore, with a few exceptions. Is 67 an important vintage for you. The 64's although older and perhaps less likely to be intact than some younger vintages are from the vintage of that decade. Magical vintage that one.

I could go on and on and on but I have a proposal.

let's have this discussion over dinner.

I'll bring some wines from some of those older vintages and we can drink discuss, then report our impressions here giving everyone a take on what we shared that includes my view as well as the views of others.

Who is up for it?

NYC towards the mid-end of October.

Ok that's not going to help you much for the Acker auction but there is always more wine in the pipeline.

Let me take a look over there for a sec.

These are the lots I had saved in my lot tracker by the way:

12282
Barolo - Vintage 1958
A. Conterno
2lbsl, 1bsl, 1tl

3 bottles

12283
Barolo - Vintage 1964
A. Conterno
3bsl, 2tl

3 bottles

12291
Recioto della Valpolicella - Vintage 1979
G. Quintarelli
2vlscl

2 bottles

saw the 11 bottles of 1967 Ceretto. interesting lot but I would not want more than a few bottles of that wine.

the older F Rinaldis are rustic wine that were damn near undrinkable on release but have aged very well. I would be sceptical of bottles going back to 1945 but have enjoyed several bottles of that era so while it's a crapshoot it sometimes pays off.

If you have any specific question I'ld love to hear them

As far as prices never being better for these wines at action. Well the Zachy's auction last week saw many records set for old Giacosas and the prices for the Italians on offer were very firm and notably higher than they have been for the last 18 months or so.

That boat may have sailed

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Reply by Eric Guido, Oct 4, 2009.

I'm wondering if I'm the "other Piedmont & risotto fan guy".

Even if I am, Greg is still the authority on anything older then the 1996 vintage for me. Although I have a lot of experience with more current vintages, It's an experience rooted in young Barolo. The idea being that in 10 or 15 years I will be that guy with the well aged and extensive Barolo collection. I go to Greg whenever looking prior to '96.

As for auctions, I still feel like they are worth looking at. The last few auctions were taking place while every news outlet in America started saying the recession is over. However, if you watch those same news outlets this Sunday you'd be hearing how many people feel we're going to dip down again. No one knows and that's going to cause many to hold back, IMO. So I say keep watching and bid responsibly, you might be happily surprised.

As for the Barolo dinner, keep me in the loop. This month has really gotten away from me with my schedule and I'm starting to get calls for holiday culinary work.

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Reply by MReff, Oct 4, 2009.

Greg,
Sounds like a plan, mid week dinner??? Wednesday or Friday nights sound good to me. Heck any night works, even an early dinner on Saturday as well

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Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Oct 5, 2009.

Mid week would be fine, Friday great too. i like early Sunday dinners on the weekend but lets see if anyone else is gonna join us before setting on a date.

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Reply by MReff, Oct 5, 2009.

I am sure that I could rope in WHitehead and/or Tater. I can source something interesting to see how it will end up.

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Reply by ChipDWood, Oct 5, 2009.

Re Eric: Yea that'd be you.

And I agree, re; auctions: Watch closely, and bid not only "responsibly"- but "smartly". There are items to be had for the cheap- just watch those conditions and keep on the low side.


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