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ok...is Napa Angel so "UNDER-PRICED" or WHAT?

Posted by hhotdog, Feb 17, 2010.

how can this big california cab be so under-priced? i paid $56 and was (for a for a change) very impressed!!! wow, can the critics be correct? suggested @ $90 and can be found so much lower!

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Reply by napagirl68, Feb 17, 2010.

Where'd you find it?

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Reply by napagirl68, Feb 17, 2010.

Hmmm... Montes... chilean company. I typically do not do well with their wines, but sounds like they have moved into the napa region as well. Do you have tasting notes?

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Reply by dmcker, Feb 17, 2010.

What vintage? The Wine Enthusiast gave the 2006 a 97, but then again you always need to deduct hefty numbers from their inflationary scoring. Decanter had this to say:
"Napa Angel Aurelio's Selection 2006
Still a work in progress - both this vintage and the wine in general. From 15-year-old vines, the nose shows a hint of herbaceous hedgerow, while the palate is a touch closed for now, with tough tannins. Need to wait a few years for this one. "

I haven't had the wine but am curious about it, and the Reserve, though I fully expect to have to lay them down for several years.

As for the price, in general I'm seeing this kind of discounting just about every day, often for far more established wines. Montes is just trying to break into (and learn from) Napa winemaking, and is obviously having trouble moving inventory. Aside from them and their issues, we're living now in what may turn out to be the best time to buy wine of our generation. In my dreams, this markdown on recently ridiculous premium wine prices will stay with us for year into the future... ;-)

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Reply by dmcker, Feb 17, 2010.

What vintage? The Wine Enthusiast gave the 2006 a 97, but then again you always need to deduct hefty numbers from their inflationary scoring. Decanter had this to say:
"Napa Angel Aurelio's Selection 2006
Still a work in progress - both this vintage and the wine in general. From 15-year-old vines, the nose shows a hint of herbaceous hedgerow, while the palate is a touch closed for now, with tough tannins. Need to wait a few years for this one. "

I haven't had the wine but am curious about it, and the Reserve, though I fully expect to have to lay them down for several years.

As for the price, in general I'm seeing this kind of discounting just about every day, often for far more established wines. Montes is just recently trying to break into (and learn from) Napa winemaking, and is obviously having trouble moving inventory. Aside from them and their issues, we're living now in what may turn out to be the best time to buy wine of our generation. In my dreams, this markdown on recently ridiculous premium wine prices will stay with us for year into the future... ;-)

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Reply by dmcker, Feb 17, 2010.

Sorry about the doubleposting, but the Forum server wasn't showing acceptance first time around. Mark et al., if you see this, site performance has been problematic several times tonight (NYC time)... ;-(

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Reply by gregt, Feb 17, 2010.

d - software issues may stay with us years into the future, but low wine prices? Seems like there's a backlash against those already.

Stéphane Derenoncourt decided to make wine in CA. He released his inaugural vintage last week.

Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon from Caldwell Vineyard at $220

Napa Valley Cabernet Franc from Caldwell Vineyard at $140

Napa Valley Merlot from Stagecoach Vineyard at $140

Napa Valley Syrah from Hudson Vineyard at $60

Lake County Cabernet Sauvignon from Red Hills Vineyard at $40

Production is small and many of these are already sold out. People will and have bought them because he's from Bordeaux, so the wines must be better than anything made by an American. I haven't had any so don't know. But I do know that Bordeaux success does not always translate.

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Reply by bigchilean, Feb 17, 2010.

I think Montes has always been a company in Chile, Argentina (Kaiken) and now USA (NapaAngel) that overdelivers.

It is not a matter of moving inventory, in fact the inventory is moving pretty good. Many wines are overpriced and there is a strong feeling about it in the market. Specially after the big economy crisis in the states. Wineries like Montes are one step ahead...

The Napa Angel wines have been evolving beautifully, if you have the chance to taste it now you will be surprise.

Good to hear people is talking about our work...

cheers

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Reply by hhotdog, Feb 24, 2010.

dmcker
i hope you are right...can really find myself raising the bar a bit more often if it continues with the pricing!

( Napa Angel Aurelio's Selection Cabernet Savignon 2006 Napa Valley) i agree napa angel could handle and devope a bit from aging...strong tannins...good fruit and a pretty damn long finish!!! hey, i loved it for what it's worth...

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Reply by hhotdog, Feb 24, 2010.

woops, "develope"...


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