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Snooth User: DKhoovs

Oh that Heavy Smoke Oak and Tobacco

Posted by DKhoovs, Feb 13, 2010.

I am truly that person who loves a good red wine that you can keep at your nose and enjoy a tastes and repeat. Now being a ex smoker, HEAVY smoked filled aromas of oak, cedar and tobacco are like heaven. So in reading prior forums posts with the same search keywords, I feel like Donald Trump is trying to sell me a used car. Meaning, if I'm as lucky as one spend $100 a bottle.... I could enjoy what I was searching to find and expand my vocabulary and education in wine. So I (with others out there still searching) am looking for a good HEAVY tobacco, oak and cedar aroma red wine that is available in most wine stores. I know this is not a quality that may keep a forum going but, I would love suggestions and I will give my honest opinion on each.


Reply by dirkwdeyoung, Feb 13, 2010.

Hi, why don't you always put some smoked gouda and smoke almonds with your heavy red wines as an appertif? The wine and the food it is served together with will result in the overall effect. Also on your grilled meats, use the charcoal with the mesquite added. I think you will like the mixture.

Reply by Girl Drink Drunk, Feb 13, 2010.

I've found a lot of pinotage to be really smoky. I don't remember any specific names, since I don't care for this trait, but it could be a good, reasonably-priced starting point for you

Reply by GregT, Feb 13, 2010.

You have to look to the vinification. Those frequently come from the kind of oak that is used and if the wine is young, they're more apparent. You get a savory quality sometimes in syrah from the Rhone, sometimes in wines from Ribera del Duero, and sometimes in syrah from CA. Then if they've used new barrels, maybe with some toast, you can get some of those smoky notes and even tobacco. Try some syrah from Copain and you might pick up a bit of the flavors you're looking for.

Reply by Lucha Vino, Feb 13, 2010.

I tasted this wine from Goose Ridge last weekend. It definitely had a smoky character on the nose and palate. Here are notes from the Wine Maker
2005 COLUMBIA VALLEY VIREO - Winemaker Notes: Our
2005 Vireo is a blend of 39% Syrah, 37% Merlot and 24% Cabernet Sauvignon.
A luscious wine with notable depth and structure, Vireo is full of
concentrated blackberry and black cherry with notes of licorice and cedar.
Aging for 21 months in small oak barrels graced Vireo with hints of spice
and a supple texture. Scored 90 pts from The Wine Advocate

Reply by dmcker, Feb 13, 2010.

Here's another thread with some suggestions. Those towards the top are more expensive, while those towards its end are quite economical...

Reply by DKhoovs, Feb 13, 2010.

First I want to thank everyone who replied. I have some new avenues to try now .

Just tried Layer Cake Primitivo a.k.a. Zinfandel 2007 from a recommendation today. Extremely well balanced and priced. Would recommend it as a must for Zinfandel lovers. As for tobacco and smoke aroma, it was on the mild side but, still a keeper!

Reply by zufrieden, Feb 14, 2010.

You may find that certain old French Hybrids of the non-foxy variety may also provide you with economical smoke, cigar and oak. Though out of fashion - sometimes for obvious reasons - these wines can be well made and enjoyable. Finding good examples may, however, be a problem outside the eastern US and Canada. Baco Noir and Marechal Foch have been known to produce the qualities you seek - but be very selective.

Coffee is another aroma often associated with these hybrids.

Reply by tinsol, Nov 26, 2013.

I some times cant tell the difference or get a mixed flavor of tobacco, leather, smoke, and oak. Pinotage I've always thought was more peppery.

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