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Snooth User: jamessulis

New on the block with Zinfandel

Original post by jamessulis, Jan 23, 2013.

Being a cab lover I am hesitant to stray from what I like. On a recent occasion I had the opportunity to try a Zinfandel and to my amazement, it had some of the same attributes of the cabernets I love so well. I perused Snooth and stopped on a particular zin from Bogle vineyards. Gregory Dal Piaz gave it a nice rating and being a member of Snooth for quite a while I trust Gregs opinions. So off to the store for some zinfandel. Purchased a bottle of 2010 Bogle Old Vine Zinfandel  from Clarksburg, Ca. Cannot wait to pop the top and imbibe with some pasta of my choice (white sauce). I am extremely interested in hearing from Snooth members about their Zinfandel experiences.

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Reply by JonDerry, Jan 31, 2013.

Surprisingly, I did an Outpost Zin vertical and they were drinking great at 8-10+ years, the 06' was a real winner too, though it was only six years old.

Reply by amour, Feb 4, 2013.

I just heard that there was a 2013 Zinfandel Festival in San Francisco a couple days ago.

Storybook Mountain Vineyards, which I wrote about a few years ago, was particularly highlighted at the Festival, amongst other wineries, of course, as bringing out the true potential of terroir driven zin.

I also read an article recently which highlighted Black Stallion Winery, and suggested pairing their zin with pomegranate marinated beef.

Frank Family Vineyards and my wonderful favourite Cakebread Cellars were also highly rated.

Reply by EMark, Feb 4, 2013.

Winner, winner, pomegranate marinated beef dinner.

That sounds awesome.  And it sounds like an awesome match for Zinfandel.

Reply by outthere, Feb 4, 2013.

That was ZAP. Zinfandel Advocates and Producers is an even held every year at Fort Mason in the Marina District of SF. 100s of wineries pouring along with industry seminars. 

Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Feb 5, 2013.

ZAP was a great expereince this year, though I barely got into the Rs by the time the crowds become unbearable!

Reply by amour, Feb 6, 2013.

Hi Snoothers,

Concerning Zinfandel, did you see the Snooth Article on the 2011 ZAP Festival...interesting!

Also check out  Zin Heritage in the Heritage Vineyard Project, which traced Dusi/JDUSI WINES/ north of Pasco Robles, Du Pratt, Lytton Springs, Old Hill Ranch Vineyard and its offspring Bucklin Winery 2000.

The above 4 Vineyards are regarded as of historic significance, and important to the future of Zin, so I read.  (DUSI started with Italian immigrants.)

And most important: remember to drink Zin!


Reply by amour, Feb 11, 2013.

Do any of you wine fanatics know the book: THE WINE TRIALS?

It lists 100 wines for under 15 dollars U.S., and the BOGLE Old Vine Zinfandel is listed as a good buy!

The 2005 Vintage (tasted in 2008) is described as sour cherry on the nose, with medicinal note...whatever that means!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also pine-forest notes and hints of vanilla.

Suggested pairing item: CHOCOLATE CAKE!!!

Sounds like a good Birthday gift.....Boogle Zin and Betty Crocker Chocolate Cake!!!!!!!

Simple, easy, affordable!!

Reply by EMark, Feb 11, 2013.

Don't know the book, but I can't remember being disappointed with a Bogle wine--very reliable for only a few dollars.  As long as you know what you're getting, it is a good buy.

Zin with chocolate cake sounds good.  A few times a year Mrs. Emark fires up high-volume chocolate chip cookie baking production--in fact, the next event is coming up, here, in a few weeks.  The dough is usually prepared on a Monday, and the baking usually occurs on a Tuesday when she is attending a class.  So, you know who takes over at that point.  After pretty much a full day of plopping dabs of cookie dough onto sheets, popping the sheets into the oven, pulling the sheets out of the oven, taking baked cookies off the sheet, plopping dabs of cookie dough onto the sheets,  . . . , I have had numerous little tastes of both uncooked dough (GADS, Salmonella!!!!) and baked cookies.  Through most of the day I am drinking water, but towards the end of the project, I am ready for a glass of Zinfandel--and it usually tastes great.

Reply by amour, Feb 11, 2013.

How interesting!


I am definitely going to go Bogle!!!

An expert did suggest Bogle wines a couple years ago....he was trained and experienced, and worked privately for a few wealthy individuals; I did not listen to him!!!

He also mentioned Liberty School Wines.

Do you know any of them?

Reply by EMark, Feb 11, 2013.

No, I have never tried Liberty School.  I think that is a Paso Robles wine.

I am on really thin ice, here, but I seem to have a recollection that "Liberty School" was the second label for a pretty prestigious Napa Valley winery--Caymus or somebody like that.  I don't think that is the case anymore in the present iteration of Liberty School.  We're talking in the 1980s or something like that.  Too many brain cells have died, or maybe I'm hallucinating.

Reply by outthere, Feb 12, 2013.

Amour, you need to check out the Historic Vineyard Society. They are dedicated to the preservation of California's Heritage Vineyards.

Interesting that you mention Old Hill Ranch out of all the old vine vineyards in the State. It is quite a unique vineyard which I had the opportunity to tour last May. Will Bucklin is doing an exceptional job in bringing this vineyard back from disrepair and having been overgrown with blackberry bushes. He is a true old school organic farmer.

Farmer Will


Old Hill Ranch is planted to no fewer than 26 varieties and all of them go one field blended wine.  Will does make a few single variety wines. His favorite is his 120 year. Old Grenache.

Old Hill Ranch is the oldest producing vineyard in California having been planted in 1851.  One example of how old school Will is, the only difference between farming it now and when the vineyard was originally planted is that a combustion engine pulls the plow rather than a team of horses.

14 acres of dry farmed history right there.

Reply by penguinoid, Feb 12, 2013.

Outthere -- looks like a beautiful old vineyard, thanks for sharing the photos

Reply by cilewine, Feb 12, 2013.

My current favorite Zinfandel is "Immortal Zin" by Peirano Estate Vineyards in Lodi California.  

It is a great, really affordable wine (retails for around $12-14 I think) and, in my opinion, a perfect example of a classic, approachable, jammy zin.  

When I came back to Bordeaux from the States after my Christmas vacation I brought a bottle with me to share with my French colleagues who had never tasted an American Zinfandel.  They all really enjoyed it and I think it was a great lesson for them to see an American wine that is great quality, easy to drink and doesn't break the bank.  

Reply by amour, Feb 12, 2013.

Thanks OUTTHERE, I have been doing some reading on Historic Vineyard Society.

I saw that the relatives of the original Old Hill Ranch owners set-up Bucklin Winery.

Very interesting indeed!...and you brought it to life...I honestly think that, along with our fantastic Mentors,  we, SNOOTHERS, make up an excellent  A-TEAM FOR THE WINE!


And, as for you, CILEWINE, thanks a million.   I will try your Lodi gemWhat a name!!!!!!!!! Now, be careful!!!

Thanks for the direct French-palate-reaction!!!  Judgement of Paris all over again amongst ordinary consumers...the best lithmus test, indeed!

Reply by amour, Feb 13, 2013.

For those of you living in a state of the U.S. where there is a Total Wine, you may be able to get the Zin called EARTHQUAKE ZINFANDEL, mentioned in this thread.  It cost around $22. U.S. in Miami, Florida.

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