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More Australian please !

Posted by spikedc, Dec 15, 2010.

During a recent wine show i visited the Yalumba stand, i tasted a few including the Octavius which was really nice but a little out of my budget. Last weekend i opened a bottle of Scribbler and again enjoyed it a lot and will buy it again. Still new to all this i particularly enjoy Shiraz I do like rich flavours of dark fruit.spice, chocolate, smoke, olive but need it to be smooth tasting. At the moment i'm enjoying some South African reds and i also enjoy Spanish Riojas.

Since tasting Yalumba i am open to other suggestions including more Yalumba with the price range of about £10 - £15 ($15 - $25).

Stephen Harvey over to you.

Any more South African would be appreciated also.

Thanks !

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Dec 15, 2010.

Spike

My suggestions are

09 Penfolds Koonunga Hill Shiraz and Shiraz Cab blend

08 Schild Estate Shiraz

06 Penfolds Bin 28 if you can get it within your price range

07 Jacobs Creek Reserve

I am concerned with the 08 lower priced wines as we got hit with a massive heat wave from about 5th March to the 18th March with most days over 37C and many over 40C, if the fruit was picked before the heatwave the wine is very good if after it was cooked, not much in between.

If you can get a list of whats on your local shelves I will let you know what I think

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Reply by spikedc, Dec 15, 2010.

Hi Stephen,

Not sure what’s  good or not but here’s a little selection of wines (within my price range) available locally ...........

Mad Bay Shiraz 2007

Penfolds Bin 128 Coonawarra Shiraz 2007

Penfolds Thomas Hyland Shiraz 2007

Prominent Hill single vineyard Adelaide Hills 2007

Fish Hoek Shiraz 2007

Tim Adams Shiraz 2007

Yalumba Y Series Shiraz - Viognier 2008

Yalumba Organic Shiraz 2010

Jim Barry Clare Shiraz/Cab 2006, Clare valley

Mcwilliams Hanwood Estate 2006/07

Chateau Reynela basket Pressed Shiraz 2007

St Hallett Gamekeeper's Reserve 2009

Lindermans Bin 50 shiraz 2007/08

The Hedonist Shiraz 2008

Bridgedale Road shiraz 2008

Lots of Wolf Blass

Not tasted any, bit of a minefield for me, but looking forward to your views. There are lots more if nothing suitable

Cheers

Spike

 


 




 

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Dec 15, 2010.

Spike

See my comments below

 

Mad Bay Shiraz 2007

Not tried - WA based wine made for UK market, should be around GBP5-6.  my suspicion is that it will be light and not overly interesting, but maybe a good quaffer

Penfolds Bin 128 Coonawarra Shiraz 2007

Quite a good wine 2007 was not a great vintage with a lot of frost issues, Coonawarra was fair.  Certainly worth a try should be around GBP10-12.  Last tasted about a year ago, probably rate around 86-88/100

Penfolds Thomas Hyland Shiraz 2007

Solid wine in the Penfold range, positioned just below Bin 128, at GBP 7-10 should be a good drink.  Last tasted about a year ago, probably rate 84-87/100

 Prominent Hill single vineyard Adelaide Hills 2007

From what I can find this is another made for UK wine, has got some good reviews and being from Adelaide Hills will be a much softer French Style shiraz.  At around GBP10 worth a look.

Fish Hoek Shiraz 2007

This a a South African and I have not tried it

Tim Adams Shiraz 2007

Tim Adams is an excellent Clare winemaker and his Shiraz is certainly one of my favoutites from Clare, not as heavy as a Barossan but nice ripe blackberry fruit and good oak overtones of vanilla but not too much.  Should be around GBP10. I have tried a couple of the 07's both at cellar door and at home would rate around 90-91

Yalumba Y Series Shiraz - Viognier 2008

Typical well made Yalumba wine, the Y series is a multi regional blend with most fruit from irrigated regions, no oak used in this wine so is a very fragrant fruity quaffer.  At sub GBP5 is OK, just not my style. Have tried it in last year, too many other options in the wine world to spend money on this one - 80-81/100

Yalumba Organic Shiraz 2010

Ok but not convinced organic means much, certainly not to me at the moment.  Fruit driven style is OK and well made but not me. 80-81/100

 Jim Barry Clare Shiraz/Cab 2006, Clare valley

Neat well made and quite enjoyable Clare Wine from the Barry's. 2006 was a very good vintage for Clare Reds and this is a similar wine to Scribbler.  Probably not quite as good but OK, Certainly worth a look if sub GBP10 and would be an interesing to see what you think compared to Scribbler. 84-85/100

Mcwilliams Hanwood Estate 2006/07

Low grade irrigated region shiraz made for mass market. For sub GBP5 may be OK but plenty of better stuff around. 78-79/100

Chateau Reynela basket Pressed Shiraz 2007

From the Constellation family and sometimes a very good wine, have not tried the 07 and the 04,05,06 were very good, seels for around $40-50 here so if you can get it below GBP20 have a try, but I am concerned alot of good wines were below par in 07.  I rated the 06, 93-94/100

 St Hallett Gamekeeper's Reserve 2009

Shiraz Grenache Touriga blend, not tried in a long time but has always been a reasonably good drink at the pricepoint, if you can get in the GBP5-7 range worth a try

Lindermans Bin 50 shiraz 2007/08

This wine is crap even if it is free, buy and give to an person whose affection you neither need nor desire.  Lindemans Bin Range was Yellowtail until Yellowtail outpointed it.  I rest my case your Honour!

The Hedonist Shiraz 2008

Solid McLaren Vale Shiraz, my opinion is that it underperforms its fruit and Oak treatment 100% McLaren Vale Fruit 70% new french Oak, but I have not tried the 08 and sometimes they get it very right with this wine.  If the fruit was harvested before the March heat then could be very good.  Should be around GBP10-12, if you get it at that price worth a look. Have not tried for a while.

Bridgedale Road shiraz 2008

Another made for the UK wine from Western Australia, probably OK at around GBP-67

Lots of Wolf Blass

yes lots of Blass - Grey Label Shiraz is usually best value should be a GBP20 range wine.  Generally McLaren Vale fruit and I last tried the 02 and 04 which I rated both in the 92-94/100 range.  The wine is typical of McLaren Vale with excellent blackberry fruit, aged in a mixture of French and American Oak, usually delivers some nice chocolate and mocha overtones, some people get a bit of pepper but must admit I don't.

My concern is lateer vintages of Blass have been affected by the structural issues within the Fosters monster and I have not tried the 05,06,07 versions

So I hope all that helps

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Reply by spikedc, Dec 15, 2010.

Thanks for your help Stephen,

I shall try as many as i can (put some on my Xmas list).

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Reply by aslade, Dec 15, 2010.

Hi Spike,

Glad to hear you liked the Yalumba Scribbler - this is a Cabernet Shiraz blend from Barossa and it's sort of a 'younger brother or son' to Yalumba's Cab Shiraz flagship/historical wine, 'The Signature'. Octavius is delicious, but can be pricey. A nice Yalumba Shiraz that is 'in the family' and affordable would be The Patchwork Shiraz, also from Barossa. Enjoy!

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Reply by spikedc, Dec 15, 2010.

Hi aslade,

The Patchwork added to my list, thanks

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Dec 15, 2010.

Spike

If you see any Orlando Gramps Shiraz for <GBP10 that is always a very good cheap shiraz from the Pernod stable and Schild Estate Shiraz for GBP8-12 is a very good wine for the price

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Reply by Lucha Vino, Dec 16, 2010.

I have had the Yalumbas and the Jim Barry Cover Drive Cab in the last month or so.  The Yalumba Scribler, Patchwork and Signature were all more enjoyable for me than the Jim Barry.

There is something special going on with the Australian Cab/Shiraz blends.  I haven't had a bad one yet.  This style has been far superior to any of the single varietal Australian Cabs that I have tried.

As usual, Stephen is a great source for advise on the Austrailian wines.  Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us!

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Dec 16, 2010.

Vello

If you get a chance try the Penfolds Blends

Koonunga Hill - AUD 10-15

Koonunga Hill 76 - AUD 15-20

Bin 389 - AUD 35-50

Also

Jacobs Creek Johann AUD 45-60

Rockfords Rod N Spur AUD 20-30

Grant Burge Benchmark AUD 20

Regards

Stephen

 

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Reply by MarcS, Dec 16, 2010.

Hey Guys, I've been drinking Ausie Shiraz since I first bought a '96 Penfold Bin 28 at a local store for $22.  Actually drank the last of the '98's a few months back.  Wow!

Now, I get alot of my Ausie's at southernwines.com.  Good people.  I usually deal with Oliver.  If you're interested, venture out into some of their other offerings - NZ is up and coming in the Pinot area, and by now you know about the Chilean/Argentinean Malbecs.  Have a few of the NZ Pinots.  Can't tell you how they're aging because we're still going through the Willamette '05, and '06's.

I don't speak wine, so I can't tell you if you're going to taste black pepper, blackberries, or 78 day old figs, but I can tell what I like.

Love The Scribbler (have a few '06 and '08's in storage).  Personally, even though the '08 got the WS accolades, I like the '06 better - could be the extra 2 years of aging.

Speaking of WS hype.  D'Arenburg Stump Jump 2008 (#63 on the 2010 top 100 list) can't be beat for the $US8.99 price tag

Other budget Shiraz to try (all of the ones listed were purchased at southernwines.com :

- Limb Patterson Hill '04 Barossa $9.99

- Steve Hoff '03 Barossa $14.99

- Bleasdale 'The Broad-Side' Shiraz Cabernet Sauvignon 2006  $7.99 (damaged label special at southerwines .com)

 

- Ordered my case of Schild last month, but it's not in country yet.

 

- One of my favorites is a little know winery Shinas Estate "The Guilty" Shiraz...no idea what region it's in, but if you can find the wine, you'll love it (can't remember the price, but it was definitely <$25).

 

Enjoy!

Marc

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Reply by daltonwineltd, Dec 18, 2010.

I've got a list of the Top 100 Australian Wine for 2010 on my site plus a Free eBook on Australian wine regions. Over 600 pages and 60 maps.

http://daltonwineltd.com/wp/australian-wine-ebook/wine-regions-australia/

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Reply by napagirl68, Dec 21, 2010.

Spikedc,

Read my new thread on Southern Latitudes wine shop.. they do mail order too.

Specifically, read about the cab-shiraz blend I tasted (26 Lake breeze Bernoota Cab shiraz)...

Cheers!

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Reply by spikedc, Dec 21, 2010.

Thanks napa,

Good thread,  i will add Lake breeze  Bernoota cab/shiraz to my ever expanding list

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Dec 21, 2010.

NG

The Bernoota is a nice drink, just suffers from some vintage variability, particularly Langhorne Creek was badly hit by drought in 08-10. Particularly 09 & 10

But just to show how the weather Gods can be fickle, the rain has been so heavy this year that the Murray Darling River system will go from a recorded history low at the end 2009 to a twenty year high in less than a year.

Now we have severe disease issues due to the rain, the joys of agriculture!!!

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Reply by wineguider, Dec 23, 2010.

1. Anything from gotham's Barossa Valley, I love the cab but all are stunning, US$15

2. Jim Barry if you spend some more.  His economy shiraz options disappoint me.  But spend $35 or more and you're in heaven.

3. Jip Jip Rocks cab/shiraz blend.  HAS to be the blend.  US$15.

-Wineguider (www.wineguider.wordpress.com)


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