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Mexican wines

Posted by giorrgii, Mar 20, 2012.

I tried 7 dolar  Mexican cabernet-sauvignon and it was pretty tasty. Could anyone suggest some good white Mexican wines?

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Reply by EMark, Mar 20, 2012.

Giorgii

While I have enjoyed a few Mexican red wines, I have never had a Mexican white wine.  I was wondering it they even existed.

If you live in or near Los Angeles, you might consider this Stars of Napa and Paso event on Thursday evening.  Clearly, the name of this event indicates that there will be tastings of samples from the Napa Valley and Paso Robles regions.  In fact those two areas are very well represented.  What I thought was particularly interesting is that their wine list includes five wineries from Baja California.  Included in that list is a Chardonnay from Monte Xanic.

I have a prior commitment and cannot attend.  (Besides, I doubt if I could meet the Beverly Hills standard of the "Dress to Impress" requirement.)  If you are able to go, please come back and report to us.  Regardless, please come back and report to us on your other explorations with Mexican wine.

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Reply by JonDerry, Mar 20, 2012.

Had some real nice sweet whites from Ensenada some time in 2008, will try to find the name of the producer...we visited the winery through a Royal Caribbean tour.

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Reply by giorrgii, Mar 21, 2012.

Thank you guys for sharing your experience, I am in Mexico city now and will go on and explore more of local wines of this beautiful country.

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Reply by dmcker, Mar 21, 2012.

There have been a few past threads in the Forum on the subject. You can use that search box up towards the right to chase them down. Afraid most of my drinking in Mexico has been cervesa, tequila and mescal (usually with some lime involved) after a few early disappointments with the grape. Imagine things are quite a bit different now, even in Baja.

Happy hunting!

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Reply by EMark, Mar 21, 2012.

You're in Mexico City now???

They had a pretty serious seismic event there yesterday.  What did you feel?

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Reply by zufrieden, Mar 21, 2012.

I felt nothing (referring to the quake) - even thought I am on a fault line.  My comment has to do with the Mexican wines from the Baja - which can be very good value.  I have been a fan of L. A. Cetto for at least 20 years in my favored evaluation based on an index of value to quality (whether I can afford something whatever the cost is not quite the point). There is no reason why wines in northern Mexico cannot compete with many California products with similar pretensions. My memory of the brands from the various Mexican wine regions is a bit spotty because I do not get as exposed to the products as I might like. 

I think what we'd most like to see here is a list of wine suggestions from persons "in the know" so to speak.

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Reply by Fernando Reyna, Mar 22, 2012.

Giorrgii,

Opposite to red wines, mexican white wines are not in general terms precisely catalogued as outstanding.  Our warm climate is not the best for white grapes !  Nevertheless you will find pretty good ones.  Here are some examples I've tasted.  Some of them have also been evaluated and rated by the mexican wine magazine "Catadores":

- Sinergi VT Marella 2010 100% Sauvignon Blanc, Ensenada, Baja California (rated 90 points from Catadores, 87 points myself)

- Casa Madero Chardonnay 2010 (100% Chardonnay), Parras Valley, Coahuila (rated 88 by Catadores).  You'll find a fresh wine with white flowers, tropical & citric fruit aromas).  It has won several international awards.

- Casa Madero 2V 2010 (Chenin Blanc 50%, Chardonnay 50%) Parras Valley, Coahuila (good value, at aprox. USD $10).  Fresh, fruity and mineral with nice acidity.

- Las Nubes, Kuiiy 2010 (Sauvignon Blanc 80%, Chardonnay 20%), Baja California (rated 89 by Catadores)

- Bodegas de Santo Tomás, ST Colombard 2007 (French Colombard), Santo Tomás Valley, Baja California.  It's not complex but I consider it as a best value (I rated it 86 and it costs about US $7)

- Viñas Pijoan, Silvana 2009 (Chenin Blanc 50%, Sauvignon Blanc 42%, Moscatel 8%), Guadalupe Valley, Baja California (rated 89 by Catadores, 87 myself).

Other commended ones would be

- Santo Tomás Chenin Blanc 2009

- Bodegas de Baron Balch'e, Double Blanc 2010 (Sauvignon Blanc 60%, Chenin Blanc 30%, Palomino 10%)

- Monte Xanic Chenin Colombard 2009 (Rated 89 by Catadores, I haven't tasted it personally)

... and there are many others I'm surely missing.  There are also nice sparkling wines primarily from the Queretaro region.

If you like them find some advice on mexican reds.  The offer of good ones is far more extense.

I hope this note helps to enrich your mexican wine experience.

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Reply by zufrieden, Mar 22, 2012.

Excellent.  Exactly what I think we non-Mexicans need.

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Reply by dmcker, Mar 22, 2012.

I'll echo zufrieden in saying thanks, Fernando, a lot. This is the first list like this in a couple of years of skirting around the subject...

To put your point scale in perspective, what kinds of wines do you generally like to drink (Mexican and those from the States or Europe or elsewhere), and what do you see as the general strengths and weaknesses of these wines, as well as what to look out for (in both the posiitive and negative sense of that phrase)?

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Reply by JonDerry, Mar 22, 2012.

Thanks for the report Fernando, this is great. Baja and mexican wines are definitely gaining more recognition from I can tell. The warmer climate whites may have something to do with the great semi-sweet white wine I picked up.

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Reply by shsim, Mar 27, 2012.

Thanks for sharing Fernando! On Mexican wines, I was wondering if anyone knew anything about Baja wineries? I am so close yet I know nothing! It would be fun to take a trip down south.

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Reply by EMark, Mar 27, 2012.

Shi

There are several wineries near Ensenada.  On of the bigger ones is Chateau Camou.  Here is a web site that lists some others.

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Reply by shsim, Mar 27, 2012.

Thanks EMark! Have anyone tried anything from there?

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Reply by EMark, Mar 27, 2012.

Shi, we had a brief discussion of my most recent experience with Mexican wine a few months ago.  The Forum topic was Pretty Good Mexican Wine.

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Reply by cjjames, Mar 28, 2012.

I am trying to find out where I can buy a Mexican Champagne.  Palace Resorts in Cancun serves a "Dubois" Mexico champagne/sparkling wine.  It's in a dark green bottle and dark green label.  I have the photo of the bottle and have been trying to find it since our return.  No luck!  Anyone have suggestions on it?

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Reply by Degrandcru, Mar 29, 2012.

cjjames: Dubois is made by Freixenet, Mexico in Tequisquiapan, close to Queretaro (www.freixenetmexico.com.mx). Its nothing special, but an amazing value (about $7 at Mexican Walmarts or Superama - a Walmart supermarket chain down here). Its made in the methode traditional, quite refreshing and a good everyday drinker. But there are way better mexican sparklers made by Freixenet, for example Sala Vive Brut. My personal favourite is the "Viña Doña Dolores Chardonnay Brut Nature" - excellent stuff at around $25.

The Dubois is the cheapest one and I think its especially made for the supermarket trade as I've never seen it anywhere else, its not even officially in their line, but you find it on the bottle that its made by Freixenet.

Giorrgii: There are some decent, but not great mexian whites, their reds are way better, I think its just too warm in Mexico to make good whites. Try the following: Casa Madero Chardonnay, Casa Grande Chardonnay (also made by Casa Madero, their Reserva). As mentioned above, for a very good sparkler try the Viña Doña Dolores Chardonnay Brut Nature, you won't be disappointed.

Are you still in Mexico City? We should get together for a tasting of Mexican wines. You also should try to get to Tequisquiapan to visit the cavas of Freixenet, the biggest cavas in the Americas, very interesting.

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Reply by Degrandcru, Mar 30, 2012.

Another thing to mention, if you are serious about Mexican wine and want to know more about it, look for the "Mexican Wine Guide" by Arturo Bodenstedt. Its a little guide about mexican wines featuring a general overview of the mexican wine market, regions, descriptions of all mexican wine makers and their wines, including a point qualification on those (stating price ranges as well, which I find very helpfull) . I don't agree with all of his rankings, but it is a very interesting and very complete guide to mexican wines. It is published yearly and available at most book and wine stores in Mexico. It is in Spanish, so you need at least some basic Spanish skills to get something out of it.

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Reply by bajawines, Mar 31, 2012.

www.lmawines.com has wines from baja california Mexico  and some wines are availible at several local wine bars and retail stores in San Diego. there is a new white  wine from Bodegas San Rafael in Ojos Negros

Delirio 4 white wine blend demi sec.

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Reply by dmcker, Mar 31, 2012.

hmmm... not much satisfaction on the web...

 

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Apr 4, 2012.

Really impressive stuff, guys.  With the diversity of terrain, you have to figure there are a few places in Mexico that can make good wine.  The interest by Freixenet suggests the same.  But I always wondered about the interest.  We drank decent wines there when I was 15--that was 3 and a half decades ago, approx--but I had no idea whether they were Mexican.  I suspect they were Spanish.  Until my recent experience of drinking some LA Cetto Nebbiolo that was given to me, I thought of it as cerveza and tequila country.  But that opened my eyes, and I suspect that there are more values to be found.  With these recommendations, I'm looking forward to my next trip there and maybe advocating a bit for these wines in my local wine shops.

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