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Snooth User: Etty Lewensztain

Men Who Take Issue With Drinking Rose

Posted by Etty Lewensztain, Jul 5, 2012.

For some time now, I have noticed a pattern with men who disparage rose as being a "girly" wine. Some of the most accomplished and masculine sommeliers I know would rather drink rose than pretty much anything else. Any thoughts on the male problem with drinking rose?

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Reply by outthere, Jul 5, 2012.

Stirring the pot aren't we? Where did you come up with the assumption that we men don't like to drink rose? 

Sweet foo foo pink wines are one thing but nice acidic, well balanced rose is incredible.

 
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Reply by JonDerry, Jul 5, 2012.

Looking forward to opening up a Mag of 2011 Domaine Tempier rose for my B-Day coming up in a couple weeks. 

There are plenty of men out there who will not drink Rose, call them uneducated or what you will. Give them some good rose blind and then see what happens.

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Reply by gregt, Jul 5, 2012.

"For some time now, I have noticed a pattern with men who disparage rose as being a "girly" wine. Some of the most accomplished and masculine sommeliers I know would rather drink rose than pretty much anything else. Any thoughts on the male problem with drinking rose?"

Who would they be? I think you're making an assumption that isn't borne out by any facts or sales figures. There may be a few acquaintances of yours who feel that way, but truly it's not even close to the norm.

 

 

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Reply by Craig Bilodeau, Jul 5, 2012.

Personally, I think all roses are foo foo drinks.

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Just kidding.  ;-)  I'll take a dry rose over a sweet white any day.

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Reply by outthere, Jul 5, 2012.

You really need to stop selling them plonk! ;-)

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Reply by zufrieden, Jul 5, 2012.

Actually, I rather like Rose wines - depending on the style.  I have never felt that this style of wine is necessarily feminine, but rather a bit uncomplicated for the long winters we have in Canada.  For our bracing climate between November and March, you are advised to drink something poetically or intellectually interesting and powerful - not light and juicy like a fine Rose (better for sitting in the sun or faking a pose for somethin akin to pastoral Renoir or Seurat painting).

For the record, my preference in Rose is for something just barely off-dry with just enough fruit to give a solid impression of berry infusion.  And while this type of beverage is definitely enjoyable consumed in the company of women, I could say that of any wine.

In any case, the sales tell all - lots of men buy Rose - so drink this pleasant summer wine with a perfectly clean conscience.  There are many fine Rose wines out there; my favourites are from Provence.  ut there you have it.

 

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Reply by Etty Lewensztain, Jul 6, 2012.

Well I am super pleased to hear men defend rose so ardently! As a wine retailer and consumer myself, I have noticed a trend with men opting out of rose, but I was not intending to falsely reference any hard facts. Just some casual observations. I agree, JonDerry, that if you were to blind taste some rose naysayers on a good dry bottle of Tavel or Cotes de Provence rose they'd be pleasantly surprised.

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Reply by D9sus4, Jul 6, 2012.

Etty, Snooth members know what a real rose is about.

But, to the average Joe, a rose falls in the category of a girly drink because for too many years  it was a sweet wine sold mostly to women who knew nothing about wine. I worked a crush for Beringer Winery when their White Zinfandel (a pink wine with enough residual sugar to make it sweet) was the largest selling wine in the world. You may be too young to remember those days, but it left a bad impression on a lot of serious wine drinker's minds.

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Reply by jtryka, Jul 6, 2012.

I am not a huge rose fan, but then again I don't really drink white wine either.  That said, with the heat this summer I've made a point of drinking some cooler wines and have opted for some nice dry roses rather than shifting to white wines, since the roses are often made from grapes I'm familiar with, like the bottle in my office right now that is half sangiovese and half syrah, that's a wine I can definitely be comfortable with!

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Reply by Etty Lewensztain, Jul 6, 2012.

Very true D9sus4!

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Reply by cgplayer9, Jul 6, 2012.

For some reason, reading this thread reminded me of my first rose, about 35 years ago: a bottle of Mateus, which I decided to try rather than my usual Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill.  I didn't know, nor did I care, that it was a rose, only that it was there, it was within my budget and I thought it was a cool looking bottle. Needless to say, my tastes have changed since then, and while I haven't had many roses over the years, I have alwyas enjoyed the ones I've tried, inlcuding the Pulenta la Flor Rose Malbec I had just last week.

 

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Reply by zufrieden, Jul 6, 2012.

Interesting that Mateus Rose came up so late in this thread; this was a very modern wine from the start and consciously made so by the large Portuguese producer Sogrape. For the price, the quality of Mateus (both red and white) is very good and whether you chose this wine as a college student or just when commencing your career as a wage slave, you made a good economic choice. 

Yes, most of us have moved on, but for a hot day at the beach Mateus can still do the trick.  It all depends on the objective.

Z. 

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Reply by Maarten van Rooy, Jul 7, 2012.

I don't have anyting against rose wine. Is it a marketing thing perhaps?

I like to drink a dry rose on a hot summer day. Just like I like a dry white wine.

Personally I find it harder to mix rose with diner, white wine mixes better.

But that is just mine opinion.

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Reply by EMark, Jul 7, 2012.

After thinking about this for a couple days I have come to the conclusion that the reason I don't drink very many rose wines is because I like red wines and white wines much better.  In all honesty I really don't think it has anything to do with my testosterone level.

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Reply by jtryka, Jul 7, 2012.

And tonight I am enjoying a bottle of 2011 Rose des Karantes and it's a splendid summer wine!

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Reply by Mike Madaio, Jul 8, 2012.

Let's all pause and realize that the fact that we spend time on this website already means that we're more open to different types of wine experiences, so I don't think the discussion here proves or disproves any theory on Rose.

Most people outside this little community of obsessives (in the US, at least) probably think of cheap White Zin when they think of Rose, which is probably why it is more associated with women than men by the general public.

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Reply by gregt, Jul 9, 2012.

Maybe. But actually rosé was disparaged by many in the 1980s because the pop sellers were Mateus and Lancers in the 1970s. When Chardonnay and white wine became fashionable in the 1980s, there wasn't a lot of good rosé available in the US either.  And for those reasons, the people who made white Zin didn't call it rosé, they called it "blush" wine. Many people today still don't know that they're the same and they think Zin is a light-colored grape, not really connecting the two.

And then, the fact is that much rosé just isn't very good. It's usually softer than a good white and lacks the grip of a good red and generally doesn't respond well to aging, so many wine-savvy people simply ignore it. I don't think I've ever noticed avoidance based on gender though.

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Reply by rolifingers, Jul 9, 2012.

I have never found a Rosé that  I've enjoyed.

I don't find any complexity in them and I miss the cripness of a white wine and the gonads of a red wine. It is sort of lost in the middle

 

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Reply by EMark, Jul 9, 2012.

At this time I think thanks should be offered to Sutter Home the winery that, by my recollection, started the White Zin thing.  I cannot imagine how many Zinfandel vineyards were saved from being replanted with Chardonnay and Merlot by that event.

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Reply by rolifingers, Jul 9, 2012.

Out of all the  Rosé'  I've had, I enjoy White Zinfindales the best.

You are correct EMark I also believe Sutter Homes started the whole White Zinfindale thing.

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