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Lower 2013 prices or else?

Posted by panoskakaviatos, Jan 27, 2014.

Greetings!

I share an article I had published in Harpers Wine & Spirit (UK) based on two tastings earlier this month in Washington DC.

2013 looks to be an, er, difficult vintage. But as some of the 11s proved, one can find a few bright spots. Will prices come down far enough to garner any interest?

I will head to Bordeaux for the barrel tastings in early April in any case.

http://m.harpers.co.uk/article/353918

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Reply by gregt, Jan 27, 2014.

There will be interest from the group of people who think Bordeaux is special. As people are exposed to more wines, that group diminishes in size.

"Take Pavie Macquin, which cost $150 in 2010. The 2011 is very good, but at about one third the price, which is an incredible value."

So $50 is an "incredible" value? It's only a "value" for Pavie Macquin if one thinks he needs to own that particular wine.

It is not a value for wine in general. You can find much better wine for $50. Tasting through the 2011s, many indeed were hollow and thin and because too many Bordelais consider a "value" to be fifty bucks these days, they're suffering.

You can get pretty good Brunello for that, many outstanding wines from Spain that are better and will live longer, andif you want to stick with Cab/Merlot, you can find better values from the US, South Africa, and elsewhere.

If they can hype a vintage, the producers in Bordeaux raise their prices to the pain threshold and don't apologize. It may be smart economics for some of them, but it colors a customer's perception of the region and engenders no loyalty. The classified growths have hurt the smaller producers in the region and in the US, sommeliers are far more interested in the new and different than in pricy Bordeaux.  A shame, because there are some pretty good wines made in the region.

Take Pavie Macquin, which cost $150 in 2010. The 2011 is very good, but at about one third the price, which is an incredible value.” - See more at: http://m.harpers.co.uk/article/353918#sthash.XTbCtwEU.dpuf
 “For some wines, pricing is really, really interesting,” added Hazzard. Take Pavie Macquin, which cost $150 in 2010. The 2011 is very good, but at about one third the price, which is an incredible value.” - See more at: http://m.harpers.co.uk/article/353918#sthash.KIcVRO4s.dpuf
 “For some wines, pricing is really, really interesting,” added Hazzard. Take Pavie Macquin, which cost $150 in 2010. The 2011 is very good, but at about one third the price, which is an incredible value.” - See more at: http://m.harpers.co.uk/article/353918#sthash.KIcVRO4s.dpuf
Take Pavie Macquin, which cost $150 in 2010. The 2011 is very good, but at about one third the price, which is an incredible value.” - See more at: http://m.harpers.co.uk/article/353918#sthash.XTbCtwEU.dpuf
Take Pavie Macquin, which cost $150 in 2010. The 2011 is very good, but at about one third the price, which is an incredible value.” - See more at: http://m.harpers.co.uk/article/353918#sthash.XTbCtwEU.dpuf
Take Pavie Macquin, which cost $150 in 2010. The 2011 is very good, but at about one third the price, which is an incredible value.” - See more at: http://m.harpers.co.uk/article/353918#sthash.XTbCtwEU.dpuf
Take Pavie Macquin, which cost $150 in 2010. The 2011 is very good, but at about one third the price, which is an incredible value.” - See more at: http://m.harpers.co.uk/article/353918#sthash.XTbCtwEU.dpuf
Take Pavie Macquin, which cost $150 in 2010. The 2011 is very good, but at about one third the price, which is an incredible value.” - See more at: http://m.harpers.co.uk/article/353918#sthash.XTbCtwEU.dpuf
Take Pavie Macquin, which cost $150 in 2010. The 2011 is very good, but at about one third the price, which is an incredible value.” - See more at: http://m.harpers.co.uk/article/353918#sthash.XTbCtwEU.dpuf
Take Pavie Macquin, which cost $150 in 2010. The 2011 is very good, but at about one third the price, which is an incredible value.” - See more at: http://m.harpers.co.uk/article/353918#sthash.XTbCtwEU.dpuf
Take Pavie Macquin, which cost $150 in 2010. The 2011 is very good, but at about one third the price, which is an incredible value.” - See more at: http://m.harpers.co.uk/article/353918#sthash.XTbCtwEU.dpuf
Take Pavie Macquin, which cost $150 in 2010. The 2011 is very good, but at about one third the price, which is an incredible value.” - See more at: http://m.harpers.co.uk/article/353918#sthash.XTbCtwEU.dpuf
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Reply by Richard Foxall, Jan 27, 2014.

I think GregT has pretty much summed up my disappointment/fatigue with Bordeaux, and it's become pretty widespread.  Classic example of killing the goose that laid the golden egg.  Burgundy next?  Maybe not, just because there is so little of it (even counting the counterfeits).  But the pricing on better Bordeaux--and remember, the now-$150 Cali wines were winning the tastings against first growths that still cost 3 to 10 times as much--continues to be absurd, while the scads of mid-level wines are hardly worth wading through to find gems.  Bordeaux just isn't special or unique and perception is catching up to that.

Frankly, you can get some very good Brunello for that if you shop around, and you can get some really nice reds from the Loire for under $20.  Collectible? No, but if the point is to tell everyone you have it, rather than to drink it, why do we care about vintage or the contents of the bottle at all? 

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Reply by JonDerry, Jan 27, 2014.

Ahh the Bordelaise...2013 will definitely be a problem for them.

I liked some of the 2011's quite a bit...except the one I really liked, Canon is hardly available and it's like $100/bottle where it is. All is not lost though, I can grab the '08 for about $57.00

Better Values...

2010/11 Carbonnieux Blanc - Really dig this wine at $35 - 40, and it ages for decades!

2010/11 Latour Martillac Rouge - Same $35 - 40 price point for a real nice wine that'll age for a long while.

Other than that, I really like Saint Julien and some of the right bankers in 2011. 

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