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Snooth User: jesdocswife

looking for a sweet white wine

Posted by jesdocswife, Dec 23, 2009.

Hi I am new with wine and I want to find a white wine that is sweet like the green grapes. Like in the evening have a glass of wine my husband or a friend with maybe some cheese. I tried (Eccoi Domani ) Pinot Grigro 2008. This is taste so bad I had it at Texas Land and Cattle. Please if any one can find a name or a wine that is good. But I do want a white wine.


Reply by dunonthesly, Dec 23, 2009.

Try the Duplin Winery Scuppernong. It is made with native (to the Southeast coast, USA) grapes and is quite affordable. I normally like a dry wine, but found the Duplin wines very acceptable, although sweet.

Reply by mousking1, Dec 24, 2009.

if you really want to go sweet try a moscato d'asti, my favorite is Castello del Poggio, but bartenura, baviamo, and another one that's in a black bottle with a fly on it, i just can't recall the name. but honestly as long as you spend more than $12 or $13 for the bottle, it should taste good.

also i tried a white merlot last night that was fantastic, you might want to give it a try. the one i had was a forest glen winery forest glen 2007, but i've seen a few others, but i've only tried the one.

Reply by dmcker, Dec 24, 2009.

My first thought was of moscatos, too--whether from Italy, Spain or Greece (some really good ones from the islands there, though they're not always easy to find half way across the world ;-( ).

Alternatively start tasting rieslings. A wide range of sweetness in the German Qbas, kabinetts and spatleses (that list is in ascending order of price, and quality, for the most part) from the Rhein, Mosel-Saar-Ruher or Nahe, with lovely acidity. Many beautifully fruity wines, that are more easily approachable than quite a few other varietals for newcomers to wine. Austria has some good ones, too, as does the Alsace which tend to be a bit drier. Quite a few made in the New World, too, but I still view the Old World as setting the benchmark in this varietal more than several others.

Reply by GregT, Dec 24, 2009.

jesdocswife, that wine you had is made by Gallo from purchased grapes and it's designed to be really cheap and basically, for cooking IMO. Pinot Grigio is a grape and became really popular recently, so expect to find a lot of it and most of it will be pretty bad. When a grape gets popular it's suddenly planted all over and everyone puts out their own bottles and you end up with oceans of terrible wine. However, you CAN find good pinot grigio, aka pinot gris, but you have to look.

However, if you didn't like it, and I dont blame you, maybe you could mention what you didn't like? Is it the fact that it wasn't sweet? Most wine isn't sweet but if that's your preference, you can look at the wines dmcker recommends. Great choices. "White merlot" is actually a rosado, or rosé, which means it's made from red grapes but they don't let the juice have much contact with the skins once the grapes are pressed. Some rosé wines, like white zinfandel, tend to have a lot of residual sugar left. Not all do however, and most of the better ones don't, so you need to ask which specific one you're trying if that's what you want.

Dmcker is probably right that the old world, or at least Germany, sets the standard for riesling, but the interesting thing about that grape is that it's one of the few that produces good wine in areas that you wouldn't ever suspect. So you can find it grown in places like Australia, where it frequently produces bone-dry wines with no sweetness at all, or Washington state, or New York, or Michigan, which is what I'm going to have tonight. We usually have riesling on Christmas and for whatever reason, I'm including one from Michigan today.

Moscato, or muscat, or moscatel, can often come in slightly sweet versions too, but not always. It smells like flowers, so people sometimes assume it's sweet, but you should ask the people at your wine store if you're in doubt.


Reply by dmcker, Dec 24, 2009.

There's such a depth of good riesling in Germany and Austria that it's a safer place to start, IMHO. There's good riesling in the New World, but also a lot that's pretty miserable, and a vicious cycle tends to ensue between producers who don't really get it, and consumers who don't demand better.

Besides the countries for Muscat that I mentioned, you might also keep a look out for these, all of which I've found representative of their grape, in their own way:
--Trimbach, Muscat Reserve, Alsace, France
--Domaine Gardies, Las Cabes, Vin de pays des Cotes Catalanes, France
--Grof Degenfeld, Muscat Lunel, Tokaji, Hungary
--Robert Hall, Margaret's Vineyard, Orange Muscat, Paso Robles, California
--Santa Barbara Winery, Orange Muscat, Santa Barbara County, California

Frankly, Muscat is not one of my favorite varietals (not because I hate the grape, but because there's only so much time to taste so many other great wines), but I have had surprisingly good versions in Greece, Spain and Italy, and if you find you like some of the wines you try from those areas, the producers above are also worth chasing down.

Reply by GregT, Dec 25, 2009.

I agree I'd go with Riesling over the Muscat. Unfortunately, even though it's still one of the great buys out there, the declining dollar is showing its weakness against the German Rieslings, which have always been seriously underpriced for the quality they provide.

Degenfeld eh? There are a few producers with a bit of muscat in Tokaj, but it's really outclassed by the Furmint and not too many bottle it on its own. Actually though, speaking of wine with a bit of sweetness, Muscat de Rivesaltes is another suggestion.

Reply by dmcker, Dec 25, 2009.

Frankly again, Greg, I only throw in those five because they're from other areas than Greece, Italy and Spain, and I know it's possible to purchase them in North America. I have tasted them but not purchased whole bottles. I have a lot of respect for Trimbach in their whole range of offerings, and if I was thinking of buying a muscat I would seriously consider that one. My knowledge of Hungarian wines is, as you know, abysmal. If you say the Furmint or any other is better, then I'm sure that's so. The Cotes Catalan may be difficult to find in the U.S., though that's where I had it. And the California wines are, as usual, a completely different take, very much dessert-oriented. For that matter I'm pretty sure I've recognized muscat in a couple of sweeter sherry blends I've had, and I definitely once had a great madeira made from muscat that was more than 100 years old. Rather hard to get ahold of, though, since they don't seem to be using that varietal any more... ;-(

There are certain times and places where muscats really do work. One of them, that I sometimes return to mentally, is sipping a good 'grand cru' muscat from Samos (good sweet ones from there and Rhodes, and a nice dry version from Lemnos) on a bluff overlooking the sunken caldera in Santorini, watching the sun go down over the hazily reflective, then 'winedarkening' sea. ;-)

And interestingly, since I'm as serious about my teas as my wines (and drink more tea by volume, I'm sure), I've found that certain Darjeelings offer an aroma of muscat...

Reply by GregT, Dec 25, 2009.

I hope you don't think I was knocking the Degenfeld tho!!! It just caught me by surprise. I got a little POd at that guy one time in Tokaj but that's a different story entirely. I think your suggestions were excellent and I'd actually like to taste them side by side because, well, why not? Great muscat education!

I'm with you on tea too. My father thought coffee at any time of the day gave him an upset stomach and interfered with his sleeping, so as kids, we rarely if ever saw coffee in the house and we always drank tea. Then when I discovered "good" tea, I was thrilled. I went on a mission to try as much different tea as I could from as many different areas as I could. That was many many many years ago, long before wine. Now it's become really trendy here in the US. I'm wondering if that's not because it shares so many similarities to wine? As long as you're not drinking some pre-bottled abomination, tasting tea is really similar to tasting wine. And you don't have to spit!

All the best for the holidays!

Reply by JMSkelnik, Dec 25, 2009.

Try some wines from petit or gros manseng varietals. I'm pretty sure they will suit you.

Reply by fibo86, Dec 27, 2009.

These are very popular wine here in Australia and always consistent.

Red- all must be chilled

Reply by amour, Dec 28, 2009.




Reply by amour, Dec 29, 2009.

PLEASE READ MY POST ON THE FORUM TOPIC..."SWEET RED", as I inadvertently spoke also of sweet whites !
Thanks for your patience !

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