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Snooth User: ecattt

looking for a full bodied, heavy, smooth red wine...

Posted by ecattt, Apr 12, 2010.

I love Malbecs.. only problem.. I think I have an allergy to them in specific.  Does anyone have any suggestions on other full bodied, smooth.. red wines?  I do not like light wines.

Please... anyone??



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Reply by John Andrews, Apr 12, 2010.

Welcome to Snooth!

Well the obvious recommendations would be Cabs and Merlots but I think some northern Italian wines would fit your criteria like Barolo or Barbaresco.

Reply by GregT, Apr 12, 2010.

You have an allergy to malbec?  Since it's related to cabernet sauvignon and merlot, maybe you have an allergy to them to?  What is the allergy exactly?  I've never heard of a variety-specific allergy, but that doesn't mean anything.

Reply by dmcker, Apr 12, 2010.

And look for cabs and merlots in Italy, too. 'Super Tuscans' and the like. Opulent and luscious. The right bank, with more merlot and cabernet franc than cabernet sauvignon, in Bordeaux. They generally add refinement to the mix.

Have you had and Zins or syrahs that you like or dislike? Zins from California, of course, but syrahs from the Northern Rhone in France or their cousins in California and Australia (aka shiraz)?

Along with Greg, I'm curious about that allergy. What are the symptoms? I seem to be 'allergic' to most malbecs from Argentina, but in probably a different way. Have you tried any from Cahors or the Loire (where its called Cot) in France?

Reply by ecattt, Apr 12, 2010.

allergy- well.. I have not confirmed it yet... but I started drinking Malbecs from  Argentina specifically.. since about September, also coinciding with around the time I moved.  I get hives.  Really itchy hiives.  I drink my fav malbec almost daily.. Catena from Argentina.  At any rates, hives still there.  I ran out, and I started to drink the Cab Sauv's that I own, and nothing.  No hives.

So, I'm guessing thats what my allergy is.. I am not sure.  At any rate, I love the full bodied taste of the Malbec.  I appreciate any advice you could give, as I am a Malbec lover..

Thanks to you all that have replied so quickly.



Reply by Charles Emilio, Apr 12, 2010.

I would suggest you try South Australian shiraz. Full bodied like Malbec however expressing more fruit on both the nose and pallet. A lot of them are quite oak heavy too like the Malbecs from Argentina. You'll. I'd recommend the following regions:

Langhorne Creek, McLaren Vale & Barrossa Valley

If you want to spend more money you could go for California Cabernet's but you'll be paying almost double than the Australian SHiraz and Triple the Argentine Malbecs for anything decent. Might as well go back down to Australia again with the Cabernet and drink one from Margaret River or Coonawarra

Reply by dmcker, Apr 12, 2010.

Not necessarily the case purchasing in the States, Charles. There are a lot of very decent California, Oregon and Washington wines, whether cabs or syrahs or merlots or pinot noir or zins, available in the $15-30 range. Not too many good wines from Oz below that....

Reply by dmcker, Apr 12, 2010.

So, elushus, if you answer a few questions about what you've liked and not up to now (and why), and your budget, we'll be able to provide more focused recommendations.

Reply by outthere, Apr 13, 2010.

What happened to Petite Sirah? It's not just a blending varietal any longer. Switchback Ridge, Turley, Robert Foley... on the higher side and McManis or Vina Robles on the daily drinker side of the price chart. 

Reply by chadrich, Apr 14, 2010.

I'd also consider Grenache and Mouverdre.  Or some of the Rhone blends of Grenache-Syrah-Mouvedre.  Don't need to come from France.  In fact I prefer those being made in California (specifically Paso Robles), as I find them more full-bodied and lush

Reply by amour, Apr 14, 2010.

Welcome and may I quickly point you to all of the great wines of FRANCIS FORD will not regret them!


Reply by envchemist, Apr 14, 2010.

Brunello and Amarone are my favorites---but they are expensive.  Someone suggested a super tuscan which is a blend of merlot or cab with sangiovese.  Also Sangiovese is excellent.  Bogle or Running with Scissors Petit Syrah is also full bodied.

Reply by KIWIwines, Apr 14, 2010.

Well, you can try a Rimu Grove Pinot Noir!

Reply by Bartond, Apr 14, 2010.

Try Torbreck Woodcutter's Shiraz 2008. Awesome, big, bold, smooth Shiraz from Barossa Valley in Australia. Usually about $20/bottle

Or I agree with the post two above - Bogle Petite Syrah or Zinfandel are nice big, smooth reds that aren't more than $12/bottle.

If not those, try experimenting a bit with Cabs and Merlots from Washington State - Columbia Valley. I've had some absolutely fantastic stuff from here and am a huge fan of exactly what you're asking for - big, smooth, rich reds.

Tons of options here. Good luck.

Reply by greggp, Apr 14, 2010.

I'd have to agree with amour. I'm drinking an excellent Coppola Petite Sirah "Plum Label" right now and it is wonderful. Dark purple color, great flavors and dry with just the right amount of fruitiness. Give it a try. 

Reply by napagirl68, Apr 15, 2010.

I would suggest to you Paso Robles syrahs and petite sirahs... also some others to try such as Mourvedre.

I am allergic to SOME 'organic and sustainable" wines since they clarify and fertilize with shellfish. Casa Nuestra in Stag's leap area of Napa is one.  AWESOME cab, but I get hives and throat closing.

Reply by roan of leah, Apr 18, 2010.

IF you are only drinking the one Malbec form Argentina, perhaps you could try switching brands.  There could a process that they are using that is leaving a residue or perhaps an environmental contaminant from winery/shipper/some where in the chain.

Try a different brand and see what happens.  Then see your Doc.

Failing that.. the aforementioned recomendations that these good people have given you would be a fun way to explore.

Good Luck!

Reply by dmcker, Apr 18, 2010.

Trying Amarones from the Veneto, as envchemist suggested, is one of the more creative suggestions in that they're unique wines. Search for those in your price range and try more than one, since they can be quite different from producer to producer. Brunellos are sangiovese, and can be pricey. Look for the right chianti classico riserva at a lower price. They won't be as bold and rich as some of the recommenations from, say, Paso Robles. But most likely much better with food. The Petite Sirah suggestion from Outthere was a good one, too. Try several, and let us know what you're liking...

Reply by napagirl68, Apr 18, 2010.

Also wanted to suggest a new fav of mine... 2006 Outpost Vineyard's Howell Mtn. Petite syrah... can stand a pencil up in it!

As far as varietals in general... try zins (paso robles, lodi or amador will be, typically, BIGGER than napa or sonoma zins).  Keep an eye out  for "old vine" zins.. although it will depend on the winery.. just because the vine is old, doesn't mean the winemaker can make good wine!   Just a general guide. 

My husband likes Van Ruiten Zins out of Lodi, CA.   I am not very into zins anymore, but occasionally appreciate a good one.  I do like this winery's zins, but drink them in moderation.  Someone liking full, heavy, smooth wine might really enjoy this one.

Petite sirahs and syrahs are also good bets, IMO, from the same regions mentioned above. 

Additionally, you might want to try some Cab Francs. The caveat is that they are usually tannic like Cab Sauv when young.  So smoothness may be an issue here, especially if not aged for awhile.   I love Georis (carmel valley, CA) Cab Francs (ALL vintages), as well as Titus 2007 Napa Cab Franc.  This is a difficult single vintage grape to do, but when done right, it is wonderful (and BIG).  both I mentioned could use some lying down for a few years to mellow out the tannins, but being californian wines, they're not so bad now ;-)

Reply by spoonymonki, Apr 19, 2010.

How about;

A Sicilian Nero d'avola ... often inexpensive, big, round and full bodied.

Or a French Tannat from the Madiran region.

Both are often fairly high in alcohol, probably better suited to the winter than a summers day!

Reply by MarkAse, Apr 19, 2010.

Petite Syrah would certainly work.

I don't a ton about Tempranillo honest, but it's also something to try.

With wine its often hard to make specific suggestions without knowing what's easily available locally.

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