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Snooth User: Stephen

Less Sparkling than Champagne, but still Champagne?

Posted by Stephen, Jul 9, 2008.

A friend of the family is looking for a Champagne that is less bubbly than a typical Champagne. I'm thinking the equivalent of Frizzante? Which in French is apparently Petillant. Anyway, does anyone know of a good less-fizzy Champagne? Is it something other than Petillant?


Reply by Philip James, Jul 9, 2008.

it has to be from champagne? hmm...i presume opening the champagne an hour early doesnt qualify?

Reply by Stephen, Jul 9, 2008.

Champagne was the specification, but I don't know if it exists...otherwise I know of Moscato...not sure about others...

Reply by Sung, Jul 9, 2008.

Is it possible that they are thinking they want something less Brut? Sometimes the more Brut-y champagnes make me feel like it tastes too bubbly. What about a fruity, more sweet champagne?

Reply by Stephen, Jul 9, 2008.

Sadly, no, he was pretty clear. It was all bubbles.

Reply by Rodolphe Boulanger, Jul 22, 2008.

The question was "What less-than-fully-sparkling wine goes with authentic Chinese food? We used to drink something from Champagne in the 1960s and 1970s... what was it called?"

And the answer was Cremant... which used to be the term for "Champagne demi-mousse" or literally half-gas! However, for the past 30 years, Cremant has been the term for French traditional method sparkling wines made outside of Champagne (Bourgogne, Loire, Limoux, Alsace, etc).

I don't think the Champenois bother with demi-mousse much any more.

Reply by FranciacortaUSA, Aug 6, 2013.

For a new adventure, you could step into my region of Italy for a sparkling wine style called Saten (silky) which has less bubbles.  Basically, it's a creamy chardonnay with bubbles!

The bottle will say Franciacorta (the overall region and name of wine) and also Saten (the kind of Franciacorta) on it. It's Italy's version of Champagne.   Ciao!

Reply by EMark, Aug 6, 2013.

I am. pretty much an Italian wine ignoramus (although I am sipping a very tasty Aglianico del Vulture as I compose this), and I have to say the only Italian sparkler with which I have any familiarity is Prosecco.  So, Franciacorta and Saten are both new concepts for me.  Thank you, very much

Reply by Wally Carroll, Aug 6, 2013.

Unless you're willing to put up with some residual sugar then Philip James probably gave the best answer. No need to wait an hour though, just carafe the champagne.  And on top of less bubbles you'll have the added advantage of the wine opening up with oxygen just as other wines do...


Good champagne holds its bubbles for a longggg time.

Reply by Wally Carroll, Aug 6, 2013.

And although you're right about Petillant being the French equivelent of Frizzante, most Pet wines in France are allowed to ferment in the bottle (petillant naturel) to full dryness, resulting in a wine with just as much bubbles as most young champagnes.

Reply by catseda, Aug 7, 2013.

to EMARK:  Prosecco is a fun, bubbly sipper too. Most Prosecco have good fresh fruit flavors.  Franciacorta has that as well but has some serious creaminess or richness, and also some of the more complex flavors of Champagne.  It is fun to learn about Italian wines - there are so many good ones.  And Aglianico is adventurous - cheers to you!  The wines of Sicily are really rocking these days - wines made from the nero d'avola grape would be a fun try.  Happy sipping! 

Reply by zufrieden, Aug 9, 2013.

Why not go for an even newer adventure?  You can start up another more contemporary thread on this subject (rather than 2008).

Demi-Mousse is not really one of my defining passions (although my wife loves this type of bubbly) or I would start up the new discussion myself.

I am an "old school" lover of Champagne Tradionelle so am not that much help here, although I do enjoy the simple pleasures of Crémant and even Prosecco...


Reply by outthere, Aug 9, 2013.

Yeah, we want 12 different threads with the same subject matter rather than keeping all the answers in one, easy to find format of a single thread. :p

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