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Snooth User: jamessulis

Lefty the wine lover

Posted by jamessulis, Mar 22, 2010.

Hi all,

I love wine and have purchased some wonderful reds and whites at the local liquor store.

I have since joined a wine club called Vinesse and after a few months I feel that I am getting wines that impossible to look up on the internet like they don't exist.  The wine club rates all of there wines at 89 points.  I am doubtful because I have tasted my purchases and don't believe the ratings.  Has anyone had experience with wine clubs?  Has anyone had experiences with Vinesse wine club?

All comments are appreciated,

Jim (alias Lefty)


Reply by amour, Mar 22, 2010.

WELCOME jamessulis    aka Lefty !


Just curious, ..... have you raised these points with any of your club members?

Reply by GregT, Mar 22, 2010.

Wine clubs buy wine where they can.  Some offer good products, some maybe offer closeouts that they got.  Personally, I'd rather select my own wines than have someone select them for me.  

As far as 89 or 90 or whatever, those are meaningless.  Whose 89?  If you don't agree, then it's not 89 to you and that's the only score that really matters.. 

Reply by Girl Drink Drunk, Mar 22, 2010.

Get out of your wine club.  They're usually for newbs and those looking to part with their money. 

I agree with GT: the scores are totally random and meaningless.  I could give my foot an 89 if I felt like it.

Reply by dmcker, Mar 22, 2010.

I know nothing about Vinesse, but I assume there's no discussion, or community between members in this club (as there is at Snooth), but you just get what they choose to send you each month. If you're already this dissatisfied with them, why not terminate membership as soon as the original agreement allows? And if the wines you're receiving before then really suck, write back to them telling them so?!

After that, you have a few options. One would be to go on your own, expanding your circle of merchants in your area you frequent. But I imagine you've already wanted to go beyond that, because of your decision to join this particular wine club.

Another option would be to choose to join another one or two or three wine clubs. There are many, many clubs out there, run from newspapers or online merchants or wineries themselves or..., and a number of them are not bad and may introduce you to some interesting wines you might not've found otherwise. But separating the wheat from the chaff when selecting the right club is the trick.

Which brings the third option. Keep visiting local merchants as desired, find some reputable (and educational) online wine merchants, and frequent a forum like at Snooth. I'm not sure where you live (shipping to some states is tricker than to others), but KLWines in the San Francisco area is a good place to start. They have a wide selection, are directly keyed into a lot of local wine knowledge not only in California but also Europe, are very helpful and informative, and are reliable regarding bottle condition and deliveries (plus their prices are generally quite competitive). I'm not sure about them, but other good online merchants also offer wine clubs as part of their range of services. If the merchant is good at what they do, the odds are their wine club will be better than the average. Ultimately, somewhere down the line, you'll find as your experience and confidence grows in finding wines you like that you won't need a club, but can choose entirely for yourself. If you participate in the Snooth forum you can ask any question that catches your fancy about specific wines or whatever, and the odds are quite good that you'll get useful feedback about it.

Finally, if you run across interested winedrinkers in your area, you might try to join (or even startup at some point) a regular (a few times a year, monthly, weekly?) tasting group. Besides enjoying the wines together, you'll tend to learn quite a bit from the others. Going to wine festivals or winery events anywhere near you is also fun and educational.

Good luck, enjoy all that wine, and hopefully we'll see more of you here...

Reply by chadrich, Mar 23, 2010.

A little off topic, but do I correctly assume that you're left-handed?  If so (or even if not), check out the MollyDooker wines from Australia.  The wine maker used to be part of Marquis-Phillips and he and his wife are now operating MD on their own.  The name and premise are built around their left-handedness, which you can read on their website.  Left-handed or not, I think you might enjoy their wines and the fun spirit in which they're offered.  Cheers!

Reply by Wasasa, Mar 23, 2010.

wine is relevant. to whom ever is drinking at the time.

Reply by amour, Mar 23, 2010.

Welcome to SNOOTH, Wasasa !

I look forward to your offerings!

Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Mar 23, 2010.

I am wary of wineclubs, or buying any unknown wine without having soebody I trust to inform me about it.


Wine is a very personal thing, and there are many wines that may conveivably appeal to some but not to me. Just check out your typical parker review for example.


Money saved on wine you don't like is not money saved at all. It's beter to spend an extra buck or two and find wines you like. We are a great resource, the Snooth communiyt, but there really is no better resource than a trusted retailer. He has the wines after all, and we might be recommending wines that are difficult to find.

So where do you live Lefty?


And of course, welcome to Snooth!


Reply by jamessulis, Mar 26, 2010.

Thanks all for your comments, they are all considered and appreciated.


to: Chadrich, yes I am left handed and I did check out Molly Dooker, nice!

Reply by TerraSavia, Mar 26, 2010.

I'm a new marketing person for Terra Sávia, located in Mendocino County. While we do offer a wine club, we're trying to figure out what else we could offer to members outside of just sending you some random wine that you might not like. I myself am pretty new to the wine game and am interested to hear what people are looking for. Feel free to check out our wine club page and let me know what you think.

And yes, like any review, beauty is in the eye...


Reply by CageyT, Jul 25, 2011.

I realize this is an old thread, but people may still be checking out this wine club. Regarding Vinesse -I was "gifted" a subscription to this "wine club."  I felt the same way as Lefty regarding the relative ambiguity of the wines-- Eventually I got the feeling that there was quite a bit of relabeling going on.  It got to be a running joke to read the little winery description blurbs on Vinesse offerings.  It was as if their marketing people collected the 50 best wine descriptor words and then just randomly mixed them up for each label.  The search for the wines, their origins, etc was usually a sleuthing exercise... sometimes I successfully tracked a wine down to a winery and posted to Snooth.  Most times I gave up.  I quit Vinesse when the gift ran out.


In fairness, there was nothing particularly disturbing about the wines, but certainly nothing remarkable either.  No matter what the label said,  my wife and I felt pretty sure we were drinking the same mediocre wines over and over again.  If for some reason you had a need to stockpile unremarkable wines that would arrive on your doorstep like clockwork, Vinesse is great.  If you are trying to learn something about wine, probably not so great.  Your mileage may vary.

Reply by jamessulis, Nov 7, 2011.

Is anyone aware of the drink called Ginger beer? While on vacation in England last September my wife drew quite an affinity for this stuff which was readily available.

Cannot seem to find it here in America specifically the Pacific NorthWest.

Any Help appreciated,

Lefty - The Great Pacific Northwest

Reply by Lucha Vino, Nov 10, 2011.

Lefty - I see the Reed's Ginger Beer in Seattle.  Maybe you can find it down South.  Check at Trader Joe's.

Reply by CROse001CRose, Nov 11, 2011.

You need to be your own wine critic and you should not use the "opinions" of others to sway what you think is a "great" wine. I would reccomend getting out of the wine club and maybe think about starting a small wine club amongst a group of friends. Just some thoughts - regards!

Reply by MsKeesh, Dec 30, 2011.

Hello and Happy New Year!!  Here in NJ, I have to travel to urban areas such as Philadelphia, PA or Trenton, NJ to find good Ginger Beer.  I always find it for sale in the Jamaican and Caribbean take-out restaurants...if I'm super lucky I can find it homemade!  They also sometimes sell it in the  'ethnic' part of major supermarkets...I believe Goya or Jamaican Choice. If all else fails...try Amazon.

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