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Snooth User: JonDerry

Just cleaned up on the Kentucky Derby, what to spend it on??

Original post by JonDerry, May 7, 2011.

Had one of those once in a lifetime days betting the ponies today.  With the winnings, i'm probably going to be budgeting up to $1500.00 on some more expensive wines I haven't been able to afford in the $80-$200 range.  Any suggestions?  I favor a right-bank bordeaux style for reds but also enjoy a medium bodied cabernet style, along with rhone styles, and am still waiting to be knocked out by a great white or burgundy style chardonnay and/or pinot. 

Some ideas so far...still thinking about 09 bordeaux futures, but that can probably wait. Catching up on some of the better vintages of Beaucastel CDP, and i'm also hoping to grab some Shafer 2007 Hillside Select later this year.  And of course, D I remember you recommending some Palhmeyer Merlot from the 90's - sounds good to me : )

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Reply by dmcker, May 10, 2011.

Many (but not all) of its best wines...

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Reply by dmcker, May 13, 2011.

So with that last Beaucastel order, how far are you into the purse?

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Reply by JonDerry, May 14, 2011.

The Beaucastel tasting is going to cost around $400 + shipping, so i've got a good bit left.  Bought the 89 and the 00 Beaucastel from the Rare wine Co., assuming they'll be able to fill the order, and plan to hop over to Woodland Hills Wine Co. to pick up the 07 at some point, maybe this weekend?

Next I think I may try an 07 CA Cabernet tasting.  I already have an 07 Dominus, and O'Shaughnessy Mt. Veeder on hand, so adding a Ridge and a Chappellet Pritchard Hill might fill it out pretty nicely.

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Reply by dmcker, May 14, 2011.

Sounds like infanticide to me. Unless you're ordering two bottles each, and laying the second set down for five or more years... ;-)

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Reply by JonDerry, May 15, 2011.

Infanticide for the Ridge?  Probably right...if I did a best of 07' CA Cabs under $100.00 that would likely exclude those needing time, but wasn't really what I had in mind originally. I'll figure it out, it's a "high quality problem" anyway.

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, May 16, 2011.

Jon

Glad to hear you made a killing on the Derby - watched it on Sky Channell here.  Racing is my other passion like wine, and I race and breed horses [most too slow too make a return]

I think the most appropriate wine for a big win on the punt is Champagne - 96 Krug and/or 96 Salon

We have a local super horse - Balck Caviar 13 wins from 13 starts and I think 8 at group 1 [$3m+ in prize money] [wish she was in my stable and then DRC and Krug Clos du Mesnil would be in the drinking frame]

Enjoy the whatever you find

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Reply by JonDerry, May 16, 2011.

Stephen: It's funny that no one mentioned champagne, but then again it didn't cross my mind either.  I admittedly have a lot of ground to cover in the wine world, and Krug definitely belongs on the list. 

Horses are great animals, glad you're in the game yourself.  It was a dream of mine to own some horses, but it's faded a bit as California racing, and racing in the U.S. is in decline.  Would be great to have a Derby prospect at some point, but that's neither here nor there, have to earn more than a bit more money, and then there's so much wine to buy at that.

Just took a look at a Black Caviar video, looks like an impressive animal.  Will try to follow him.  My favorites from the states over the years have been Point Given (recommend youtubing his Preakness and Belmont wins if you haven't seen them), and Candy Ride (watch his Pacific Classic if you get a chance).  My dad used to tell me about the legendary New Zealand/ Aussie horse Pharlap, and the tragedy of his death in Tijuana of all places.  Too bad they ever sent the horse to that dump, and a shame that there were to be no offspring. 

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Reply by dmcker, May 16, 2011.

Jon, from my May 9 post:  :-)

"Or you could always go after some vintage Salon and Krug and maybe Winston Churchill bubbly."

Jess Jackson didn't think the racing industry was in decline. I probably would've liked his horses better than his wine, though I've never seen them race.

Read more: http://www.snooth.com/talk/topic/just-cleaned-up-on-the-kentucky-derby-what-to-spend-it-on/#ixzz1MZYraQW8"

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Reply by JonDerry, May 17, 2011.

My apologies D, I knew I should've revisted the thread to comb for a Champagne mention. 

Jess Jackson had some tremendous luck, of which he is highly unlikely to get again any time soon.  One of the unfortunate things about racing, especially with males is that the breeding rights are so valuable, that they discourage the connections from running their horses after four years old, sometimes after or not even three.

Brings about a fun topic, what's the best celebrity wine label?  I know there've been plenty of golfers in the mix...Arnold Palmer, Greg Norman, Ernie Els, etc.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, May 17, 2011.

JonDerry: I assume that one reason you think Jackson's luck has run out is that he is dead: http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/22/local/la-me-jess-jackson-20110422 I thought that would be a hot topic at the time, but I was away from Snooth, didn't see anything when I came back. 

Celeb wines... Els is supposed to be good, a real interest and not just an endorsement.  Norman has certainly made a success of it.  Don't forget the auto racers: Mario Andretti is serious.

But there's really no contest, is there, at least in terms of preserving history and being serious about the venture:  Francis Ford Coppola.  While I was away, he announced that, now that he owns the original winery, vineyards and everything else, he has purchased the rights to restore the Inglenook name.  http://www.winespectator.com/webfeature/show/id/44791

'Nuff said.

 

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Reply by dmcker, May 17, 2011.

Foxall, you beat me to it on Jess Jackson's death, but that was behind my comment about him in the horseracing context (which was his second major hobby-became-more, after winemaking, which brought him the money for his horseplay).

Coppola obviously loves good living, his Italian background, and wine, in whatever order. And has lots of creative sensitivities. He's been active in California wine for decades, so I agree he's in a different league now from all those names mentioned above, much less the likes of a Joe Montana. Way back when he first dipped his toes I was skeptical, but not for some time, now.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, May 17, 2011.

FFC has his offices across the street from my barber and occasionally has his beard dyed and hair cut by my man Sario.  But we never run into each other.  Ferlinghetti, Tony Serra, them I see, but never lucky enough to run into Coppola.

He does some things in wine and food well--Palo Alto has had few good restaurants, in spite of the presence of money, and I used to eat at the one he had when I was stuck down there for whatever reasons.  He takes winemaking seriously, to be sure, and gets credit for his efforts to restore the Niebaum and Inglenook names.  He even let Inglenook bottle wine from its old vineyards in the early '90s--I got a case of the last Inglenook Cab from their vineyards, which was good albeit not great.  I wish I had kept the bottles for historical purposes. But he is also cranking out a ton of product and someone brought me a Zin of Cal appellation that was a $7 wine--competent but nothing I would buy or choose if given options. (Now the Ravenswood Vintners blend Zin at that price comes from 3 good appellations and is one of the best values for its kind.)  I worry that he doesn't really understand the brand dilution problem that damaged Inglenook in the first place. My consciousness of wine sadly goes back to right around the time Daniels sold Inglenook--I was a kid and my parents and a good friend talked and drank wine when it wasn't common as it is now.  I drank BV from the era of Andre T. when I was 14 (yep, '68 GDLT with a handful of years of bottle age--a formative experience if ever there was one) and I just pray that Coppola understands how fragile a brand can be, even in these days.  But he's without a doubt the most serious and invested celebrity in the wine business.  Greg Norman is definitely making it his business, and Els supposedly is quite involved in the production, but Coppola is emerging as a very big player, with his new Sonoma facility and the Napa landmark, plus a large mass market presence.

 

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Reply by JonDerry, May 18, 2011.

Pretty crazy about the Jess Jackson passing a few weeks ago, but of course the Jackson family marches on in a big way.  Admittedly, I haven't followed the horses as much over the last couple years as wine has been dominated my free on-line time in its stead.  Ironically, being out of the game a little probably landed me on that longshot winner this time.  Used to have all kinds of attachement to certain horses or connections as they went along the triple crown trail, but no such thing this time around, almost complete detachment anyway.

Took a look at some of Jackson's wine brands.  Didn't realize the scope of tremendously successful, and at the same time, very mediocre wines.  Kind of reminds me of the music industry. 

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Reply by dmcker, May 23, 2011.

If you want to plunge a bit into good WA cabs and blends, here's a chance to put together a vertical of Leonetti from this offer by Benchmark. Scroll to the bottom of the offer without being daunted by the Screaming Eagle at top. Who do they think they are, anyway, DRC Romanee Conti? Got news for them, RC is a lot better than SE.

Also, I'd give the Quilceda Creek next to the Leonetti a miss if it's one or the other. I like Leonetti's tone better than the bombing runs by QC....

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Reply by JonDerry, May 23, 2011.

Thanks for the link D, don't think I have enough interest to do a vertical, but am intruiged by the 2001 reserve.

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Reply by dmcker, May 23, 2011.

I'm always up for verticals when I'm learning about a wine. ;-)

Will look forward to hearing how you find whatever you do buy....

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Reply by JonDerry, May 24, 2011.

I've been pretty good about picking my spots so far, quite different than my old ways of spending money as quickly as it came my way.  Maybe part of it is that I still have to claim half my winnings, but need to find my social security card to do so.

I'm in agreeance on the vertical's, but from what you sent me i'd be more inclined to do a Cayuse vertical. 

Almost forgot to emphatically concur w/ your previous assertion, which is...DRC, VASTLY superior to Screaming Eagle.

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, May 24, 2011.

DRC is but a dream which I hope one day to achieve

As to Screaming Eagle - I can never get over the Urban Dictionary definition!!!

I am a big fan of verticals so whatever you try will be an interesting read

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Reply by dmcker, May 26, 2011.

A very good chance for a Montrose vertical here!

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Reply by JonDerry, May 26, 2011.

For some reason, Montrose has been off my radar.  Would this be near the top for St. Estephe?



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