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Snooth User: JonDerry

Just cleaned up on the Kentucky Derby, what to spend it on??

Posted by JonDerry, May 7, 2011.

Had one of those once in a lifetime days betting the ponies today.  With the winnings, i'm probably going to be budgeting up to $1500.00 on some more expensive wines I haven't been able to afford in the $80-$200 range.  Any suggestions?  I favor a right-bank bordeaux style for reds but also enjoy a medium bodied cabernet style, along with rhone styles, and am still waiting to be knocked out by a great white or burgundy style chardonnay and/or pinot. 

Some ideas so far...still thinking about 09 bordeaux futures, but that can probably wait. Catching up on some of the better vintages of Beaucastel CDP, and i'm also hoping to grab some Shafer 2007 Hillside Select later this year.  And of course, D I remember you recommending some Palhmeyer Merlot from the 90's - sounds good to me : )

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Reply by dmcker, May 8, 2011.

Go after the '89 and '90 Beaucastel I posted on awhile back, if they're still available. '09 Bordeaux futures seem like a fool's game, IMHO. How about laying aside a few bottles of Ridge Montebello, and the like? How much American are you interested in, beyond the French you discuss? I have some more ideas, but perhaps you should clarify a bit further. I'd want to go a bit deeper, rather than scattershot so broad....

And congratulations!

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Reply by gregt, May 8, 2011.

Good point.  Even Parker said the 2009 futures were rip-offs.  Some of those Pahlmeyers are worth getting IMO.  If you want to spend serious money, get Vega Sicilia Unico from a good vintage.  Don't go by the WA reviews. It will live longer and age at least as magnificently as any Bordeaux.

And if you really like Bordeaux a lot, try Andrew Will from WA, as well as Dunn, either Howell or Napa bottling or Corison Kronos or regular bottling from Napa. The equivalent quality in Bordeaux is at least double the price.  You'll spend between $60 and $100 per bottle and be happier with the results.  Shafer is of course quite good too.  Damned good actually.

I think you'll spend many years waiting to be knocked out by a great white or great Burgundy. But then again, why not buy one or two - Ponsot Clos de la Roche for example, and find out firsthand?

Your odds for finding something interesting are better in the Northern Rhone.  La Landonne for example - the Guigal is pretty pricey but really good. Parker gave the 1998 100 points FWIW.  But it's usually a great wine.  However, go ahead and buy the Brune et Blonde as well and see if the extra cost for the first is really justified.  The Rostaing is a bit less and IMO, also really good.

Besides, you'll need to pay income tax on your winnings, so maybe you can write some off as educational expenses! 

In any event, congratulations!

 

 

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Reply by JonDerry, May 8, 2011.

Thanks guys, the only Bordeaux I'm really targeting is the Vx Chateau Certan, La Conseillante, etc. Pretty bad QPR on the whole, but I can't discount it completely since it's so tough to find that Merlot/Cab Franc blend at that level quality elsewhere.

D - After posting, I definitely thought of Ridge and think i'll have to grab a couple of those.  Also the 06 Brunello's I will probably look into, and I want to start tasting some good Barolo's as well. I'm definitely always looking for better American finds.  In my years of experimenting i've gravitated towards Shafer/Larkmead/ O'Shaughnessy, but i'm looking at adding the better vintages of Dominus, Ridge, etc.

Greg - Thanks for the reminder on Sicilia, i'll have to look into and Northern Rhone is an interesting twist after I was favoring the South. Taking a stab at a red Burgundy is something I probably just have to do and get it over with, so i'll look into the Ponsot Clos de la Roche. About the taxes...half the winnings were in cash thank goodness, and the rest i'll be doing my best to gather a buch of losing tickets and other off-setting expenses!

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Reply by JonDerry, May 8, 2011.

P.S.

As a long time Laker hater, i'm gonna have to find something tonight to cap off this incredible weekend!

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Reply by gregt, May 8, 2011.

Don't push it!

BTW, if you like Cab Franc, try the Le Macchiole Paleo Rosso - it's great.  Or go for Clos Rougeard Le Bourg - it's a great job from the Loire. 

 

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Reply by dmcker, May 9, 2011.
Edited May 9, 2011

If I were in your shoes, I'd take the CA reccs from Greg (and the Ridge), maybe also his Vega Sicilia Unico. Also perhaps the Will and a Leonetti or two from WA.

Then drill down on your Burgundy white interests. Perhaps three different versions of Le Clos from Chablis: Ravenau, Dauvissat and Fevre. Then perhaps a Corton-Charlemagne (more austere and layered than many a Montrachet; I've had great ones that've aged for 25 years or more, as long as the vintage was good) from Louis Latour (very reasonable), and a Meursault from Coche-Dury (less reasonable but very good). Avoid the biggest Montrachets for budgetary reasons (especially the DRC Montrachet, of course, unless you want to spend your entire budget on very few bottles). These won't be cheap but also won't break the bank (relatively speaking), and will give you a feel for the whites you might not currently have. If your budget can stand it, get duplicate bottles and drink one now and another later.

Finally, after taking budgetary-havoc stock (I can't help but reflect on how much more that purse would've bought 20 years ago), look at the Cote-Roties and C9dPs already discussed.

Or you could always go after some vintage Salon and Krug and maybe Winston Churchill bubbly. ;-)

Seems like all winnings, however expensed, will be eaten, but plenty of good times can then be drunk.

Let us know how it goes...

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Reply by dmcker, May 9, 2011.

I think Italy can survive until another windfall? Otherwise you'll be spreading yourself pretty thin....

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Reply by JonDerry, May 9, 2011.

Thanks again for all the advice guys, I think it's definitely time to try expand the CA repertoire, and finally try some Burgundy's and some more Rhones.  Will go from there with whatever's left.

Wound up opening one of (3) bottles of 2007 Buccella Merlot last night.  Unfortunately, it wound up being one of those wines where I can see how it's good, but didn't really enjoy.  I'll be looking to sell the remaining bottles as a result.  Much prefer the Shafer (love how it's mixed w/ Cabernet) at about half the cost. 

Re: Italy - Sound advice, though it's a good friend's birthday party tonight and I hear pizza is being served.  Maybe i'll just save some bucks and bring over Chianti Classico's.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, May 9, 2011.

Hope I'm not too late--congrats on the winnings.  Rather than spend money on the latest "vintage of the century from Bordo, why not look at some already-released wines from the LAST vintage of the century, 2005?  There are some spectacular deals (unless they dried up during the month I was gone) and have been out long enough that the experts are getting some idea of how the predictions are playing out. 

BP has recently had a lot of Dunn wines that are already a bit aged and have good provenance.  Been tempted myself, but don't have winnings, or a lot of room. 

If you won enough, the Phelan winery is for sale.  http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/Profile.aspx?LID=16610493 The '04 has good reviews, and the grapes used to go into Silver Oak (which then overwhelmed them with oak...)

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Reply by dmcker, May 9, 2011.

What was it about the Buccella you didn't like? The nuclear bomb dropping, or...?

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Reply by Richard Foxall, May 9, 2011.

"It's too soon!  It's too soon!"  (A propos of our Tokyo correspondent making nuke jokes... ;-) )

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Reply by JonDerry, May 9, 2011.

Sounds good, and thanks Fox...05' Bordeaux is another option i'll have to think about, but definitely am for Burgundy.

Yeah, that's pretty much it Re: the Buccella D.  Was really surprised...it's the highest rated wine on CT from my cellar, and I don't really like it at all, go figure. 

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Reply by dmcker, May 9, 2011.

Says a lot about CT (across the board, anyway, not specific reviewers) that we already knew... ;-)

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Reply by dmcker, May 10, 2011.

Back to your shopping list, if you do go for the Rhone (and I, too, would go north before south in this context), you should also add another name from Walla Walla in WA for comparison: Cayuse. Just saw an offer from Rarewineco for their Byonic Frog Syrah. Very, very good. Jump on it while it lasts.... I like the list of role models Christophe Baron, the winemaker at Cayuse, mentions:

Allemand, Verset and Clape from Cornas; Hermitage’s Chave, and Rostaing and Jamet from Côte Rôtie.

His grenache isn't terrible, either. ;-)

 

 

 

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Reply by Lucha Vino, May 10, 2011.

Corliss Estates is another excellent Bordeaux style red from Washington.  Well worth spending some of your winnings on.  Congrats!

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Reply by JonDerry, May 10, 2011.

Cayuse is something else, the Bionic Frog is probably a little out of my price range...though it looks like their in pretty rarified air for NA Syrah.

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Reply by Girl Drink Drunk, May 10, 2011.

If I came across some "free money", I'd ditch CA and start grabbing the '06 Bru's and hoping to find any remaining '04 Barolos and Barbs.

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Reply by dmcker, May 10, 2011.

Hey, Jon, don't you wish you won the Derby every day? Would make these decisions a lot easier. Will be interesting to hear what you actually decide on....

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Reply by JonDerry, May 10, 2011.

GDD - One thing you have to love about Italy is that it's best wines (Brunello & Barolo) can be had in the $75-$100 range. 

D - I've been kicking myself for not betting the exotics more...I was pretty much whiskers away from hitting the superfecta, which would've been a 24k payout. 

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Reply by Richard Foxall, May 10, 2011.

2006 Brunellos are even available at $40 for some stunners.  2004 Brunellos are going wanting now that the '06s are out... looks like Montalcino is going to have several "vintages of the decade." I've been stocking up on them and I didn't win any money--the deals are looking awfully good.  But why not buy older bottles you can drink now if you have the money?  Like some OLDER Barolos that are good to go, or some Calis like the Dunn before they got over the top.  (BPWines is the place for those, IMO.) Just some thoughts. As I said, the N. Rhones are a good choice, too, and I still like the idea of getting more Bords by buying 2005s, and you won't have to wait so long to drink them. (I know, I'm a troglodyte for not wanting to age everything myself.) 

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