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Snooth User: Gregory Dal Piaz

I needs y'alls help!

Posted by Gregory Dal Piaz, May 18, 2011.

So, I am beginning to write a series of emails that you can vote on. Problem is, I'll need your help to make the lists. I figured I would start simply, and make a list of the top 5 red wines in the world. I'm not talking specifics, but rather geeral categories, and eventuallywe can start naming our favorite specific wines i each category.

 

So I'm going to go first with my top 5 red wines, and this is not necessarily the best wines, just my favorites

 

Barolo

Burgundy

Northern Rhone

Tuscan Sangiovese, it's breaking down already but I am not sure the individual components here, Chianti, Brunello, Super Tuscans would make it as discrete units but put them together and they sure do!

And now it totally breaks down because every othergroup of wines I put in here has some sort of if, and or but, but I can find one safe island of wines to put here; Lagrein from the Alto Adige!

Yup, that's my top 5, what are yours?

I am looking forward to seeing this concept develop and can'twait to start publishing the result!

 

 

 

 

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Reply by JonDerry, May 18, 2011.

A very difficult task, but here's where my head's at.

Bordeaux

Rhone

Pacific Northwest (if allowed), if not California

Tuscany

Rioja

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Reply by dmcker, May 18, 2011.
Edited May 18, 2011

I'm with you through your top three, Greg, but then

4) Bordeaux (not just reds but whites, too), and

5) a massive tie between CA and Tuscany and Oz and WA and Rioja/Ribera del Duero in Spain

Honorable mention to Germany for its riesling, and the Loire for its all sorts of wines.

I'm also glad I don't have to drink from only five....

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Reply by bosoxfan23, May 18, 2011.

I am not sure of the exact order, but, here are the five that I compiled (red wines only)

Bordeaux

Piedmont - Barolo

Rioja

California - Cab. Sauv

Australia - Shiraz

 

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Reply by gregt, May 18, 2011.

Tokaj

Rioja

Ribera del Duero

Mosel

N. Rhone

I'm not sure those are even in any particular order. That's just what came to mind.

By cellar space it would probably look like

Rioja

Ribera

Piedmont (WTF!!!!!)

Tokaj

CA

N. Rhone

WA

Tuscany

In either case, I'd argue that those constitute some of the top wines in the world.  And I suppose I'd add Bordeaux and maybe even the Loire.  But Lagrein?  Some of those are just great but how many? I do like them tho.

 

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Reply by Girl Drink Drunk, May 19, 2011.

1. Barolo

2. Barbaresco

3. Gattinara

4. St. Estephe

5. Margeaux

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Reply by thejennscott, May 19, 2011.

no particular order...

bordeux, rioja, tuscany, barolo, mendoza 

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Reply by Richard Foxall, May 19, 2011.

How can anyone say California as just one entity?  It's damn near as big as France and contains almost any style of wine from any variety in France, Italy... I think someone's even making Lagrein.  Which I like, but no way important enough for my top five.  Might as well put dolcetto there, or Nero D'Avola... But it's personal, I get that.

Sooo... I have to leave out Burgundy because I haven't had enough really good ones, though I get it.  I just need to hit the lottery or something. And Bordeaux is another huge category.  How can you lump merlot dominated wines in with cab dominated wines, and how do you take into account the huge variability in quality, from amazing to pedestrian?

Here's mine, again no particular order:

DCV Zins (Rockpile esp.)

California Mountain Cabs from winemakers with restraint

Champagne

RdD

Whites from the Loire (cheating, since there are so many kinds).  Or maybe rose from Tavel.  Really the heart of rose, to my mind.

Just noticed nothing with grenache dominating... not age-worthy as a rule, but a taste all its own... so how do I get Priorat on there?

By cellar space, CA cabs, S. Rhones, N. Rhones, West Coast Pinots, and Tuscan Sangio-based.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, May 19, 2011.

If it's all reds, sub Piedmont and N. Rhone for Champers and Tavel.

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Reply by JonDerry, May 19, 2011.

Top 5 current Barolo producers in Piedmont, anyone?

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Reply by dmcker, May 19, 2011.

GregDP on that one...

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Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, May 19, 2011.

top 5 today for me are in not exact order

 

wait for it

 

this is harder than it looks

 

Ok Giacomo Conterno, my all time favorite producer is not on the list. The wines are towering, but I'm nt going to pay the prices asked I'm limiting myself to $100 a bottle max on release prices these days so the list is a bit modified.

 

Also not on the list but deserving of mention is Guido Porro whose wines AI love and at about $30 a bottle they are the greatest value in Piedmonte, though not the top wines.

 

For the top wines I would suggest:

Brovia

Giuseppe Rinaldi

Burlotto

Giuseppe Mascarello

Bartolo Mascarello

 

All old school traditionalists by the way, because that's how I roll.

 

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Reply by JonDerry, May 19, 2011.

Great,thanks GDP. Looking forward to trying some of these.

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, May 19, 2011.

Hmmm - It is tough

I do enjoy wine form all the great regions, so I will do an Aussie bit because I think we will get some really great info from others.

Also someone should do a US wine bit

So here I go

Mullti-Region [have to do this because Penfolds Grange sits here]

  1. Penfolds Grange Shiraz
  2. Penfolds St Henri Shiraz
  3. Penfolds Bin 707 Cabernet Sauvignon
  4. Penfolds Bin 389 Cabernet Sauvignon Shiraz
  5. Penfolds Special Bins [This is where the legendary Bin 60A sits]

Barossa Valley

  1. Penfolds RWT Shiraz
  2. Rockford Basket Press Shiraz
  3. Barossa Valley Estate E&E Black Pepper Shiraz
  4. Peter Lehmann Stonewall Shiraz
  5. Yalumba Signature Cabernet Sauvignon Shiraz

Eden Valley

  1. Henschke Hill of Grace Shiraz
  2. Henschke Mt Edelstone Shiraz
  3. Henschke Tappa Pass Shiraz
  4. Pewsey Vale Contours Riesling
  5. Michael Hall Eden Valley Shiraz

McLaren Vale/Clarendon

  1. Hardy Eileeon Hardy Shiraz
  2. Coriole Lloyd Shiraz
  3. D'Arenberg Dead Arm Shiraz
  4. Claredon Hills Australis SHiraz
  5. Noon Reserve Shiraz

Adelaide Hills

  1. Shaw & Smith M3 Chardonnay
  2. Ashton Hills Reserve Pinot Noir
  3. Shaw & Smith Shiraz
  4. Tappanapa Tiers Chardonnay
  5. Michael Hall Chardonnay

Coonawarra

  1. Wynns John Riddoch Cabernet Sauvignon
  2. Wynns Michael Shiraz
  3. Balnaves The Tally Cabernet Sauvignon
  4. Bowen Estate Cabernet Sauvignon
  5. Majella Cabernet Sauvignon

Clare

  1. Grosset Polish Hill Riesling
  2. Grosset Watervale Riesling
  3. Jim Barry Armagh Shiraz
  4. Tim Adams Aberfeldy Shiraz
  5. Kilicanoon Morts Block Reserve Reisling

Margaret River

  1. Leeuwin Estate Art Series Chardonnay
  2. Cullen Diana Madelaine Cabenet Sauvignon Merlot
  3. Voyager Estate Cabernet Sauvignon Merlot
  4. Voyager Estate Chardonnay
  5. Moss Wood Cabernet Sauvignon

Yarra Valley

  1. Mount Mary Quintet [CS/M/CF/PV/Mal]
  2. Mount Mary Triolet [Sem/SB/muscadelle]
  3. Yering Station Reserve Shiraz Viognier
  4. Coldstream Hills Reserve Pinot Noir
  5. Yering Station Reserve Pinot Noir

Western Victoria [Many Regions]

  1. Best Thomson Family Shiraz
  2. Seppelt St Peters Shiraz
  3. Seppelt Drumborg Riesling
  4. Crawford River Riesling
  5. Mt Langhi Ghiran Langhi SHiraz

Eastern Victoria [ex Rutherglen Fortifieds]

  1. Giaconda Estate Chardonnay
  2. Bass Philip Reserve Pinot Noir
  3. Bass Philip Premium Pinot Noir
  4. Castagna Genesis Shiraz
  5. Giaconda Warner Vineyard Shiraz

Rutherglen Fortifeds

  1. Morris Old Premium Rare Liqueur Muscat
  2. Morris Old Premium Rare Liqueur Tokay
  3. Campbells Merchant Prince Rare Rutherglen Muscat
  4. All Saints Rare Rutherglen Muscat
  5. Stanton & Killeen Rare Rutherglen Muscat

Hunter Valley

  1. Tyrells Vay 1 Semillon
  2. Mt Pleasant Lovedale Semillon
  3. Mt Pleasant Elizabeth Semillon
  4. Thomas Braemore Semillon
  5. Lakes Folly Cabernet

Tasmania

  1. Freycinet Riesling
  2. Arras Vintage Sparkling
  3. Domaine A Altus Cabernet Sauvignon
  4. Janz Vintage Sparkling
  5. Dalrymple Pinot Noir

Excluding Australia the best 5 wines I have tried so far are:

  1. 1996 Salon Champagne
  2. 1982 Leovilee Las Cases  - St Julien Bordeaux
  3. 1998 Guigal La Mouline Shiraz - Cote Rotie
  4. 1999 Domaine Armand Rousseau Gevrey-Chambertin Premier Cru Clos St Jacques
  5. 2001 Tignanello Toscana IGT

 

 

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Reply by rolifingers, May 22, 2011.

Barbaresco

Barolo

Chateaneuff du Pape

Chianti

Rioja

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Reply by infinitenexus, Jun 20, 2011.

Cabernet Franc

Bordeaux

Zinfandel

Chateauneuf du Pape

Super Tuscan

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Reply by dmcker, Jun 20, 2011.

But IN, there are so many variations by location in 1 and 3. A CF from California ain't like one from Bordeaux or the Loire. At all.

What kind of SuperTuscans? That's also quite a graball....

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Jun 21, 2011.

So GDP what next?

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Reply by Girl Drink Drunk, Jun 21, 2011.

Stupid typos.

Margaux, not Margeaux. Jesus, Kristy.

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Jun 21, 2011.

GDD - kids will effect more than just your spelling, my 15yo is about to go to her first High School formal on 1 July.

Now that is impacting just about everything happening in our house!!!  I may even confuse Riesling and Traminer again!

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Reply by napagirl68, Jun 22, 2011.

1. Sonoma Coast Pinot Noir

2. St. Emilion

3.  Loire- cab franc and sparklers (shout out for Domaine Huet 2001 Vouvray Petillant)

4.  Rhones from paso robles, ca.. namely syrahs, mourvedres, and white blends (marsanne, roussane, viognier, grenache blanc, etc, etc)

5.  Oregon - Willamette Pinot Noir

6. special mention for newly discovered Chenin Blancs from South Africa.

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