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Snooth User: napagirl68

I am in love! With Pinot Noir, anyone else???

Original post by napagirl68, Oct 20, 2010.

Would love your recommendations as well!

I have found a few I REALLY like, and a few I've tried that I THOUGHT might fit the bill, and did not.

Gracianna is my fav - tasted 2008 Bacigalupi Vineyards Gracianna and LOVED it at Taste of Sonoma.....  I also like Lioco- 2008 "sonoma coast" pinot noir...   Another favorite is the Cosentino 2006 Sonoma Pinot Noir.

I had a love/hate relationship with Pinot previously... I originally was drinking small lot pinot from the inland central coast of California.... we're talking deep purple, high alcohol.  Was like a syrah gone bad!!  14.8% alcohol!!!

Anyway, I have come to find some I like from the Sonoma region (esp. the coastal), and some from Willamette in Oregon as well.. But only a few so far...I find some of the Willamette Pinot watery, and too dry and one dimensional.

I tend to like a true red color that is almost clear- prefer alcohol under 14%, and dislike huge fruitbombs.  I like cherries, leather, earth, barnyard nose.  Overall, prefer the wine to be "lighter" than a damned syrah, but to finish a bit deeper than some of the watery pinots I have had in the past.  I guess I want to start a bit lighter, and end with depth, meaning a range of flavors that develops gradually over the palate.  Hope that makes some sense.

Sooo.. give me suggestions!!!  Doesn't have to be just Sonoma... would love to hear all your favs in all price ranges!


Reply by BGvino, Oct 24, 2010.

New $9.99 VINI Pinot Noir from the Danube River Plains in Northern Bulgaria (the colder part of the country) with 13% alcohol and very light touch of oak is available at

Reply by newyorkwineguy, Oct 25, 2010.

hi napagirl68

Well to be honest with you, unfortunately, Pinot Noir is not one of my favorites. However, there is some hope for my Pinot Noir taste buds. I really enjoyed the Sea Smoke, Ten, 2005. It is listed in my wine list. I enjoyed it very much, and I think you will too.


Reply by napagirl68, Oct 26, 2010.

Forgot about Sea Smoke, NYWG!

Yes I have had it.  Which one?  I don't remember exactly the year, but I am almost sure it was the 2004 "Southing".  It was good, but still like the Sonoma Coast pinots much better. 

And I have to agree with you and GDD, as I've said, I had a love/hate relationship with pinot... most of it "hate".  But I found a small, tiny group that I find phenomenal, and would like to find more!

Reply by Stephen Harvey, Oct 26, 2010.


When you really what to blow your mind and budget on Pinots and excluding the DRC "Get a major bank Loan for the experience" Pinot

We had a 1999 Domaine Armand Rousseau Clos St Jacques Premier Cru at a dinner recently

This was a mind blowing Burgundy [at a mind blowing AUD450 per bottle]

I know price is a crazy thing with Burgundy but this wine was surreal.  The complexity, aromatics, length, evolution in the glass etc etc was everything you hear the experts "wax lyrical" about

I have squirrelled one away in my cellar for a special occasion

As to cost - well my wife and 14yo daughter figured a couple hundred on some white Doc Marten boots for junior female was fair game so I figured double for a top flight burgundy was a fair swap

Hope my logic makes sense


Reply by newyorkwineguy, Oct 26, 2010.

hi napagirl68

The Pinot Noir was the Sea Smoke Ten, 2005.                             Check my wine list, it is listed there. Cheers!


Reply by napagirl68, Oct 26, 2010.

@NYWG- sorry for the confusing post.  I was musing "which one" to myself.. meaning which Sea smoke did I have in the past (trying to remember)... I checked my "bible" and it was the 2004 Southing.  And yes, I saw from your post that you had the Ten, 2005.  I will ck it out if I should find it in my ventures.

Reply by George Clinton, Oct 27, 2010.

I had a juicy, tasty Pinot from Shaky Bridge from Central Otago in NZ.  But even though I was broken into Pinot Noir by Burgundy, I really like the Sonoma Coast and some Santa Barbara offerings.  Vasse Felix from Western Australia too, is a great bottle.  Light the candles, turn on some Jill Scott or Mary J. Blige, and pop a bottle.

Reply by duncan 906, Oct 31, 2010.

I must agree with Dmcker and Aussi Pinot Girl and say that no pinot noir comes close to proper Burgundy especially from the Cote D'Or.However this is expensive.In the UK you woud be lucky to pay under £15 and you could pay hundreds.I have had pinot noir from other parts of the world and other parts of France and I think the best of the rest is the pinot noir from the Jura either as a straight pinot noir or when blended with the two other red wine grapes of this region

Reply by dmcker, Oct 31, 2010.

Pinot from the Jura is definitely good, while a bit lighter than that from Burgundy. Though not as light as that further east in Switzerland, which I also like, but tned to place in another category of wine than that from the Cote d'Or....

Reply by StevenBabb, Nov 3, 2010.

GirlDrinkDrunk... always so negative.. : )

i lay down a challenge for your "piss-poor" CA pinot comment...

Bedrock Wine Co., Rebecca's Vineyard, 2008 RRV

an amzing pinot with nice and expresive fruit in the beggining, structured mid, and nice lingering finish... a lil bigger maybe than you would think a pinot to be... nut piss-poor it certaintly IS NOT

oh, and i encourage ALL to try...  : )

Reply by Girl Drink Drunk, Nov 3, 2010.

I'm not negative, I've just drank a lot more wine than you have.  ;)

Fruity Pinot-as-Syrah?  Sounds exactly like the very thing I loathe about CA PN.  But, to be fair, I'll ask a vender for a sample.

Reply by outthere, Nov 3, 2010.

@ StevenBabb - That Bedrock Rebeccas rocks. Really, really good fruit. Morgan has been knocking my socks off with all his wines from '08. His Heirloom Old Vine Field Blends are incredible!

Don't fret if others turn their noses on good CA PN's. Just more for us.

Reply by John Andrews, Nov 4, 2010.

Just to throw my hat into this ring ... here are pinot producers I admire:

  • Rochioli (RRV)
  • Williams Selyem (Multiple Appellations)
  • Sea Smoke (Santa Rita Hills)
  • Loring Wine Company (Multiple Appellations)
  • Fort Ross (Sonoma Coast)
  • Mary Elke (Anderson Valley)
  • Roesller (Multiple Appellations)



Reply by napagirl68, Nov 4, 2010.


Agree with Sea Smoke, but it has been awhile since I tasted.. think it was the Southing, but can't for sure remember the year.. must have been somewhere in the 05-06 realm.

This is the second or third mention I have seen of Fort Ross.  AND it's Sonoma Coast, which I tend to gravitate toward.. that, and dry creek.  I think I need to seek out some fort ross.  Reading this:

and knowing my palate, I think I will seek out the 2005.

Also heard Handley up in Anderson mentioned a few times... that was one I have not stopped at on my way to Mendocino-  Next time!!

Any recommendations amongst the three pinots here?:

Reply by John Andrews, Nov 5, 2010.

@napagirl ... I have allocations of Sea Smoke ... ping me, I usually have 'extra allocation'. :-) 

Out of the Handley, I remember tasting there and thinking the Anderson Valley was better than the reserve.  Be careful of the 08s though.  Many Anderson Valley wines have smoke taint in 2008.  The 07s will be killer though! 

Reply by napagirl68, Nov 5, 2010.

Thanks, HJ.  Will msg you re: your sea smoke.

We actually were there during the fires of 08.  Horrible. Thought our whole mendo vaca was ruined as we drove thro sonoma, then anderson valley... Stopped at a few wineries to drink/snack.. was 90F and extremely thick smoke.  We had to sit in our car.  I was almost crying until we reached russian river and the coast.  It cleared suddenly and the temp dropped to ~70F, thankfully.  We had a great time in mendo, and I was able to run there! whoo hoo!  Then back a few days later to the smoke.  That was  HORRIBLE summer! Especially for us joggers.

Reply by Roger773, Nov 5, 2010.

I know that several of you voiced (typed) your love of true Burgundies.  I thought I would share this:  There happens to be a Burgundy tasting at the Scott Paul Winery in Carleton, OR on Saturday afternoon (tomorrow).  A $15 tasting fee gets you 6 tastes, including a Vosne-Romanee.  Just in case you happen to be in the area.  Here's there web site:


Reply by StevenBabb, Nov 8, 2010.

a bold assumtion GDD.... i'd bet you are much older, too  ; )

Reply by Girl Drink Drunk, Nov 8, 2010.

I'm 32, so possibly.  Or possibly not.

You don't get to be the wine director of a four star hotel without tasting a metric shit-ton of wine.  I taste even more now than I did years ago studying for my somm certs.

Reply by StevenBabb, Nov 8, 2010.

differing opinions, to me, is what makes wine fun... what might taste good to one person, may not to another...

perhaps we're being stingy with our good wine here in CA, and only sending mass production to MASS...

i have had a lot of great wine experiences in my time... i've worked with some great people too... and i don't doubt your qualifications... but i've worked in a four star hotel in san francisco, and their wine director/program wasn't much to speak of.......

and i'm 28.... and learning...   : )

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