Wine Talk

Snooth User: dmcker

How not to store wine

Posted by dmcker, Nov 14, 2015.

OK, this is a topic that hasn't come up recently but has many times in the past. How to store wine in the house? Whether to refrigerate?  How to choose passive or refrigerated wine cellars? What kind of wine fridges are best?  Etc., etc.

I was doing some real estate shopping in the Ventura/Santa Barbara counties area and ran across a higher-end house with the approach taken in the photos. Those racks are not in a cellar, but on the main living floor. Notice the placement of certain appliances and fixtures that emanate LOTS of heat. Judging by the price of the house being offered I'm guessing whoever lives there has been/will be spending plenty on wine (perhaps spending lots on airconditioning, too).

Oh dear...

Anybody else have some laughable, or other, stories or images to share?

 

 

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Reply by dvogler, Nov 15, 2015.

I'll look through my photos of houses I've done the plumbing and gas for.  I know there were several that had cool looking wine storage (usually behind plate glass, with a frameless door) facing a huge window that gets year-round sunlight streaming in. 

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Reply by dmcker, Jan 17, 2016.

OK, here's  a condo in Tiburon. No built-ins near fireplace or stove, just wrongheaded placement of a winerack by the stager...

 

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Reply by outthere, Jan 17, 2016.

Say Cheese! Although it looks as if the Krugs and Doms may be empty.

 

 

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Reply by dvogler, Jan 17, 2016.

OT,

I think those bottle are all empty.  Did your mom knit that sweater for you?

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Reply by JonDerry, Jan 17, 2016.

The kitchen at passive, room temperature is usually the worst place in the house for wine, yet it's the most popular. Even I have some wines in my kitchen passively, though they are usually the dregs of my collection, sometimes there is just no other place for various wines that really deserve better treatment.

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Reply by outthere, Jan 17, 2016.

OT,

I think those bottle are all empty."

 

 

No sh!t Sherlock:

"Say Cheese! Although it looks as if the Krugs and Doms may be empty."

As for the sweater, I think either you or GregT left it behind. Your loss! :-)

 

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Reply by dvogler, Jan 17, 2016.

This was the one I left.  I've been told you wear it around your buddies' vineyards!

 

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Reply by dmcker, Jan 17, 2016.

No sh!t Sherlock:

"Say Cheese! Although it looks as if the Krugs and Doms may be empty."

As for the sweater, I think either you or GregT left it behind. Your loss! :-)

 

And what's with the EchigoZakura Sake, of all the labels to display?

OT, I thought that was your gpa's football rally sweater he wore with his beany when attending SC/Stanford games with his frat buddies? Of course he was also smoking a pipe in the stands, fussing to get the right tamp for the tobacco in the bowl. Probably a Stutz Bearcat in the parking lot. Now for Cal/Stanford games they had to get far more serious and sported warpaint...

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Jan 18, 2016.

Dmcker, it was St. Mary's that had the powerhouse football team in the heyday of college football. They traveled east every year for over a decade to play the mighty Fordham Rams, alma mater of Vince Lombardi.

Okay, the picture below is from Wood Tavern.  It's a really fine restaurant with excellent service here in Oakland. 

On the right you can see some wine racks, right by the front door.  Now, generally, it's not so hot here in Oakland, and that window doesn't get a ton of light because it faces east, but they keep the best wines up high, and the restaurant is pretty warm with all the cooking, the bodies.  No refrigeration for the better wines?

Here's a shot of the wall behind the bar:

[Edited out because it displayed incorrectly.]

Wine is up high--bad, it's much warmer up there in a restaurant--and the wall to the left is the kitchen.  Whoa.  It's a good and well-considered wine list.  We had the Bovio Barolo last time we went there with friends and it came to the table too warm.  I'm not saying cooked, but definitely in the 70s.  I would not let our friends have it until it had been cooled--sent the waiter to chill it away from the table so we wouldn't be tempted.  No way you could trust anything older (this was only a 2007) or really fragile.  Which is a shame, because they otherwise do everything well and cheerfully.

But yes, storing it in a kitchen, up high, that's sadly what most people do.  Many of them go the extra distance and put it on top of the fridge.  Arrrgh. 

DV, the folks who have their wine room with glass fronts facing a window probably spend as much on keeping the temperature right as they did on the wine.  I hope they use glass that filters UV, but I'm not sure that will save them. 

I promise pictures of the closet du vin when it's done in March or April or whatever.  Dark, dank, quiet, cool, underground.  It's going to be epic.  Of course, I will have no money to buy wine for the rest of my life. 

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Reply by jamessulis, Jan 18, 2016.

I don't have a fancy place to store wine. I have a 36 bottle rack in the garage. I live in the Pacific Northwest so in the Winters my wines stay at a regular 46 to 51 degrees. In the Summer the evenings are cool and the days are not especially hot. Our climate for wine rocks.

Also it gives me the opportunity to pass my wine every time I park in the garage to remind me it's time to treat myself for being such a great human.

So as I pass, I reach out and carry the chosen to it's final destination, my palate.!

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Reply by dmcker, Jan 18, 2016.

Anybody else getting 3 1/2 tons of coding gobbledygook where I think Fox tried to post a picture? Fox, please edit. Remove and repost, see how that goes. This may also be a question of Snooth's backend not keeping up with current browser versions...

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Reply by JonDerry, Jan 18, 2016.

Yes to code galore 

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Reply by dvogler, Jan 18, 2016.

Weird, it works for me!

James, that's pretty good!  I like to look at my wine too. Mine's in a big fridge right in my main space (kitchen/living room).  I don't get into it except weekends.  I'm not a good enough human to drink what's inside my fridge by myself!

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Jan 18, 2016.

And it works when I am in edit mode, but I saw it all weird at my second computer, so hell with it.  Take my word for it.

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Reply by dmcker, Jan 19, 2016.

OK, who's using what browsers? May be time to send a rocket to Mark et al. at Snooth Admin. This isn't the first time I've had trouble in the last few days (see my note in the Claret thread).

Mac OS 10.10.5 with Firefox 43.04 bringing me the gobbledygook. Couldn't be fussed to go look at it on Safari or Chrome.

Next question is was it an issue with the display to our respective browsers, or was it a posting issue with whatever Fox was using? Almost certainly the former, and extremely likely Snooth needs to invest some optimizing hours by its coders.

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Reply by JonDerry, Jan 19, 2016.

Safari here, though I don't see much code on here so treating as an isolated incident.

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Reply by dmcker, Jan 19, 2016.

That code display was particularly nasty, but there are other behavioral quirks recently. Browser wars bring frequent updates which Snooth needs to keep up with.

What version of Safari?

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Reply by dvogler, Jan 19, 2016.

Internet Explorer.  Seriously.  Mine works fine.  If I want to post a link on the forum, then I use Chrome.

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Reply by JonDerry, Jan 19, 2016.

I'm not sure, but I'm on an iPhone 6

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Jan 19, 2016.

I posted using Firefox, whatever the latest Windows version is.  However, I acquired the photo using the snipping tool, so that's probably where the problem lay.  I have not, in my recollection, done that, but the only photos I could find of that part of the resto were in slide shows on Google+ or something like it.  Weirdly, viewing it on the page, I got the code, but when I edited in the Publisher, it reverted to a photo.  I'll avoid using the snipping tool, but it is plain there are some compatibility problems here.

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