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Snooth User: JonDerry

How long will a good dry Riesling age?

Posted by JonDerry, Apr 23.

Specifically thinking of Schafer-Frohlich's Felseneck Trocken GG.

I'm guessing 15+ in 750, 25+ in Magnum.

'12 is my son's birth year so I'm thinking this will be as good as it gets for price/quality, and with a strong vintage in Germany.

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Reply by dmcker, Apr 23.

I have almost no experience with aging trockens, though lots with generic kabinett, spatlese, b.a. and t.b.a.

Nor do I have experience with that label.

Generally, though, well made German rieslings age very well. I was just drinking some spatleses, beerenausleses and trockenbeerenausles from the '60s and '70s last week. A friend of a friend had over-damp cellar issues and none of the labels were in good shape and in very many cases the label was only half there and totally illegible. Fortunately my friend was the merchant who had provided most of the bottles in the first place, way back when. The friend-of-friend let us taste any of the illegible-label bottles we desired, and try to guess what it might be. A lot of fun. OH, and the wine was pure ambrosia, or should I say the nectar of the gods? A couple bordering on the epiphany category. A rematch is vaguely scheduled for the near future....

Why don't you throw in some botrytized bottles, too? Or at least some spatlese?

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Reply by JonDerry, Apr 23.

Good advice, thanks...think I will include more of a range.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Apr 24.

I think you will have lots of choices in birth year bottles for your son.  There's going to be some highly age-worthy Dunn for one, and we shall await the verdict on the Italians, but I've heard the Rossi from Montalcino are good, which might bode well for Brunello.

I agree with D that if you want to age it, something with a little botrytis isn't a bad bet.  And, although the Loire wasn't as spot on as 2010, why not some Huet, with and without noble rot?

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Reply by JonDerry, Apr 24.

Huet's star is definitely fading a bit with the new ownership, and '12 doesn't look like a very good vintage for Loire so I won't be in for much, if any of that. In case you missed it:

However, I wonder how much the infatuation with Huet has become about the brand and its history...anyway its come with a little shock that the Huet brand has been cut down a bit since they have recently blacklisted Chris Kissack and another wine critic in response to their lukewarm Huet reviews for a recent vintage.

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Reply by dmcker, Apr 24.

"Good advice, thanks...think I will include more of a range."

My advice is to lay down twice as many bottles as your initial inclination. Then double again. There will be more worthy opportunities to bust them out down the line than you can imagine right now. My daughters were born in '82 and '86. Pretty much run out of what I had laid down, and they're not even married yet!  ;-(

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Apr 24.

Re Huet: Well, it's not really the new ownership--they've had the estate for 12 years and it's only just the last couple that are causing concern.  Sounds like Sarah Hwang is doing her best Lady Macbeth, not to mention acting like the spoiled child of a rich man.  Driving out the last Pinguet wasn't really smart.  But that does counsel against laying down the 2012, since that's the one that got the critics (wasn't just Kissack) banned.

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Reply by dmcker, Apr 24.

BTW, looks like I have been away for too long. When-the-hell did Wine Doctor move onto a subscription basis? Though I'm heading in the direction of one of OT's favorite words (snarky), perhaps he deserves a ban or two if he suddenly slaps that kind of surcharge on...  ;-)


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