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Posted by tradewater, Apr 17.

Our courtyard is the perfect place, at least at this time of year.  It has seen many gatherings of friends and acquaintances to enjoy a little fruit and cheese, a little wine, and a lot of conversation.  What, after all, can be more important than trying to communicate with other humans -- and how better than in my courtyard and over a nice glass of wine?

I'm looking forward to meeting some new friends here who share my fascination with wine, food, music and the art of living well.

Doug

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Reply by EMark, Apr 17.

Welcome to the Snooth Forum TW.  I have to say that your introductory post was one of the more intriguing ones that I have read.  As much as I would like to nibble on fruit and cheese, sip wine and converse in your courtyard, I'm afraid that to start with most of those activities are going to have to be pursued vicariously.  We have posters from around the world, and, so, there are often geographic hurdles that must be overcome.

It would be nice if you were to share with us your current wine favorites.  That is usually a good place to start.  I'm pretty sure that somebody here will second your favorites.  If you want a little insight into music preferences, I am going to point you to this conversation.  It meanders all over the place.

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Reply by dvogler, Apr 18.

Speak for yourself EMark!  I'm going down to Tradewater's place very soon!  :)

Welcome TW.  I'm going to throw out my biggest dislike right away, and that is that there is simply too much wine that we can't really share!  These California people have so many wines at their fingertips, but even in Washington state and BC (where I am), we don't get much of what they're tasting and posting about.  There's NO British Columbia wine in the States at all (except the occasional ice-wine) due to  bureaucracy.  That said...I'm learning more about California wines and when I get down there, I'll have a better idea of what to look for.  EMark's right...please tell us what you enjoy!  Then others will chime in.

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Reply by tradewater, Apr 18.

Hello, EMark.  Thank you for the welcome.

It is sometimes awkward, this Internet forum kind of thing, isn't it?   I have often observed very unfortunate exchanges between members of various forums ... usually due to the inability of each to hear the nuanced inflections of the other's voice or see the wry smirk that might normally accompany a very benign but sarcastic comment had the two been sitting across a table from one another, conversing.  I'm certain everyone has seen this.

So from the first, I want to ask all you fellow travelers to believe me when I say that it is NEVER my intention to show disrespect to, insult, or belittle anyone in this environment. (  This not to say that I am above such things when I feel justified. But ONLY when face-to-face with the person -- and usually only after suffering much irritation. )  Life is just too short and we, all of us, suffer enough - regardless our station -- without me contributing to the misery.

I drink wine because I enjoy wine. I enjoy the fragrance, the taste and the feel of a great wine - as does, I'm sure, everyone here. I really don't consume in order to feel that I belong to some group or another, though I do usually enjoy the company of other wine-drinkers.  

The wines...hmmm.... While I enjoy a good Chateau Margaux ( and most of the better Bordeaux's and Burgundies for that matter )  I live in Southern Nevada and reasonably near so many wonderful California wineries, that I'm usually drinking one of those wines -- with just an occasional bottle of the French stuff ( or Argentine stuff or Chilean stuff ).  This afternoon, I enjoyed a cool bottle of Caymus Special Selection 2007.  I enjoy several of the Wagner family wines.  And I like Anderson's Conn Valley Right Bank, and Eloge, as well as some of the Meritages. Opus One is usually nice ( though not always! ) as are Claude Blankiet's reds -  the names of which escape me and I'm too lazy to get up and go look.  

There are so many good wines these days.   Aren't we the lucky ones?      :-)

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Reply by gregt, Apr 18.

Well tradewater, if your neighbors like wine, looks like you have a pretty good environment for sharing with them.

Henderson is about five hours from me, but it's hot and near Vegas, which doesn't appeal to me. I do have family up in Reno so I'm in NV from time to time, but if you ever get out to San Diego, give a holler.

Don't worry about being insulting or belittling. People will figure it all out soon enough. If they're too dim to do that, then no harm anyway.

I understand your access and preference for CA, but please don't forget that's not all there is in the wine world. I will defend CA to the death, but the fact is, most of what gets produced is crap. There are literally oceans of cheap plonk that someone is drinking. You seem beyond that if you're drinking Blankiet, etc., but if you are inclined, I'd venture beyond Cabs too. There's a lot of interesting wine produced all over CA, OR, and WA that merits consideration. And then there's Italy, Spain, France, Germany, and so on! 

So even though the plural of Bordeaux is Bordeaux, we're letting that slide for now! In the future maybe we'll call you out on it. Welcome though and I'm serious about the invite if you're around and post your thoughts from time to time.

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Reply by tradewater, Apr 18.

GGregT -

Thank you for the invitation.

Bordeaux...of course...  Mea culpa...

After half a bottle I find that I usually become more verbose -- but also more prone to slips in spelling, grammar and syntax.  I guess I mustn't drink and drivel...   :-/      

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Reply by outthere, Apr 18.

Did someone say snarky? ;)

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Reply by dvogler, Apr 18.

Hahaha, but a cuddly snark.

I hear you TW.  I sometimes come on here after a couple glasses (which puts me over .08) and type and laugh, but then wake up and think, "Oh what responses await me in the morning!?"

As for wine, you're way out of my league, but I'd be happy to join you sometime!  The great thing, in regard to your sensitivity worries, is that in short order, you get to know everyone's personalities, at least the regulars.  I've essentially denigrated the forum and have yet to be reprimanded.  There is the odd weirdo that seems to have no discretion and in one fell swoop offends everyone, but they usually disappear.  There are some extremely knowledgeable people here and I'm like a parasite, just clinging onto my hosts, but I'm learning.

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Reply by EMark, Apr 18.

Wow, TW, you are enjoying some good wines.

I wouldn't worry too much about missing visual cues or misunderstanding intentions in interpreting our writings.  You can just assume that all of us are full of ourselves.  We also promise not to be offended if you call us out.  ;-)

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Reply by tradewater, Apr 18.

Thanks for the understanding, DVOGLER!   Hopefully I'm not that kind of "odd weirdo" ...but I do enjoy being myself - and I am rather odd in some respects, I suppose...

Please rest assured that I am out of NO ONE'S league. I have found that I can usually derive just as much pleasure from a $25. bottle of a good Carneros Pinot Noir as from a $200. bottle of Opus One.  Whether that proves to be just a shortcoming of my own palate, matters not a whit to me.  I like what I like.   

In fact - that's one of the things that prompted me to investigate wine.  Several of our friends are wine snobs ( We love them in spite of this! ) and after listening to them speak of the qualities of this or that ( usually expensive ) wine,  I decided to see for myself if I could detect any correlation between the price of a wine and its desirability. That was about six or seven years ago,

The experiment continues.   :-)

We spent two months in Vancouver back in 2000 and thoroughly enjoyed ourselves. What a beautiful city! What beautiful countryside!  I was not drinking wine then. Nor have I done any serious study on subsequent visits.  Hopefully you will suggest a few that I can try when I visit next.

And if you are planning to be in this area soon, we ( my wife and I ) would love to meet you - or at the very least, make a few recommendations if you are not already familiar with the area.

 

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Reply by dvogler, Apr 18.

Vancouver is a great city with lots to offer.  I'm just across the water in Victoria.  It'd be a pleasure to give you some suggestions if you make it back up here.  I'd actually love to share some good BC wine with anyone who makes it up here.  My wife does paddling and dragon boat races and will be in San Francisco in September (she went to Hawaii last September), so I typically won't go (I can stay home and drink wine!). But I'm sure we'll be down that way eventually.  Sooner or later, we'll all meet at some point I'm sure.

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Reply by dmcker, Apr 18.

Welcome Tradewater! Are you trading water for wine? Ol' Benjy coined an oft-quoted aphorism: "In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria." Though I've sometimes thought this might be one of those faked sayings since I doubt much open discussion of bacteria was taking place back in his day. Another trade on water I know he discussed was this quote: "Behold the rain which descends from heaven upon our vineyards, there it enters the roots of the vines, to be changed into wine, a constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy."

 

So DV, has she made it to Singapore yet for their dragon boat races? Know people there in the clubs doing it regular. Also in other cities, particularly towards the southern part of East Asia. Years ago I paddled an early-generation kayak from Seattle to Victoria. Young and stupid and we had a number of close calls, but I can certainly still remember it well. That was before I was drinking much wine, and before B.C. (and even WA) was making much, too. Basically was swilling fruit juices all the time. 

No pemmican, though.  ;-(

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Reply by gregt, Apr 18.

Van Leeuwenhoek D!

He was some time in the mid 1600s, so who knows? Maybe Ben was discussing bacteria then. Seems like he discussed pretty much everything else and he was, like Leeuwenhoek, a gifted amateur scientist so . . . 

As far as enjoying a $25 bottle of Pinot Noir as much as a bottle of Opus One, I'm not sure. I do agree that Opus One has never been worth the tariff and there are better wines for considerably less, but it's not really a bad wine and sometimes I think it gets slammed a little too hard.  I mean, sheesh. Comparing it to Pinot Noir? Now that's harsh.

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Reply by dmcker, Apr 19.

Greg, I know Van Leeuwenhoek observed the beasties (which he called 'animacules') in something like 1676, but going forward he was too busy inventing new lenses and promoting them to carry things much further. He didn't call them bacteria and not sure who first did, but anyway not too many others were following up on them for a great while, not least because even though things were beginning to speed up it still took info tremendous amounts of time in those days to circulate amongst even the 'civilized' portions of the globe. A century was often too short a period for major advances back then. Wasn't until the buildup to Pasteur's germ theory in the 1870s that there was any recognized correlation between them and disease--two centuries after Van L's discovery.

Just doesn't feel right for Benjy to be waving the term bacteria around at that point in time.

BTW, Tradewater, you can listen to anything that Greg has to say except when it comes to pinot noir. He's learned, experienced and astute in so many areas but regarding the glories of what that grape can bring us he not only never got on the boat but couldn't even find the port (well maybe the one in Portugal).  ;-)

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Reply by JonDerry, Apr 19.

Doug, you wouldn't happen to be named "Old Doug" elsewhere would you?

Anyway, welcome to our neck of the woods.

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Reply by tradewater, Apr 19.

HA!   "Old Doug"!!

 

Even though the moniker fits ( and some friends probably call me that behind my back ), I have never gone by that appelation....  LOL

This is a great forum,   I'm so glad that I found you guys!   Where else can I ramble on about Opus One vs. a cheap Pinot Noir whithout getting slapped in the face??

Life is good.

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Reply by tradewater, Apr 19.

Oh, and DMCKER --

 

Sorry, but Tradewater is nothing so romantic.  It's the name of a very unimportant, barely navigable ( by canoe!! ) river in Kentucky, that happens to form a boundary of the family farm.  It's easy for me to remember -- wine-slain brain cells and all... 

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Reply by gregt, Apr 21.

D - I assumed you'd know Leeuwenhoek, I was just thinking that he pre-dated Ben. However, I just looked in the dictionary and seems that the word "bacterium" was introduced in 1838.

Too bad. Ben hung on long enough to see the Constitution adopted and Washington elected and he died shortly after. That would have been in 1789-90 so so I guess he wouldn't have been talking about bacteria.

However, fast forward many years to the time GregT is in grad school.

Of course, he prowled around where the undergrad coeds were, expecting them to be are suitably impressed, but one quiet, sweet dark-haired lass in particular attracts his attention. They become good friends and he asks about her name Leeuwen, since it was so unusual. Turns out she was Leeuwenhoek's descendent, many generations removed and grandpa had changed the name because he was tired of explaining to people in the US that the e came before the k, not after, i.e. it was hoek, not hoke.

It was like an appointment with history and didn't hurt that she was quite attractive, with the same long curly dark hair that you see in the pics of the old man himself.

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Reply by dvogler, Apr 21.

And.....?  What's "the rest of the story"?  Did you marry her?


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