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Snooth User: Mike Madaio

Garagiste Service (Or: EVOO, stored.)

Posted by Mike Madaio, Jan 22.

I've followed a few threads here over the years about the pros and cons of Garagiste as a place to buy wine, so I thought this was a good place to share this story:

Last summer I bought a bunch of EVOO from them. It came during a huge heat wave. I'd had oil from the producer before, and this shipment wasn't as good as I'd come to expect. It wasn't terrible, just not great. I had a brief exchange with them about possible heat damage but nothing came of it.

Just recently I ordered again from the same vintage & producer and the oil is much better. So I dropped Garagiste a note saying that this pretty much confirmed that the June shipment was damaged. Despite it being more than 6 months ago, they got back to me right away and gave me a store credit. Now that's good service! Definitely makes me want to continue to shop with them.

Another lesson here: Storing EVOO is the same as storing wine. It matters.

BTW, speaking of EVOO, here's an article I just wrote about it: http://palatepress.com/2014/01/wine...

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Jan 22.

Really funny, because I almost posted about that most recent offer for a different reason:  Rimmerman said that age of the EVOO didn't matter.  No doubt, the conditions of storage/shipping would make a much bigger difference than, say, six months of proper storage, but everything I have read and everyone I have talked to (and keep in mind I live very close to Amphora Nueva, so I talk EVOO a lot) says that EVOO deteriorates pretty quickly and it's best to consume as close to pressing as possible.  For my basic cooking purposes, I buy from Trader Joe's because their turnover is so high that it's probably reasonably fresh, and they are pretty reliable about the quality, but for EVOO I use as a condiment, I buy from Nueva Amphora and a couple other places here that provide harvest dates.  I  have also learned to buy from South America or Australia during our spring and summer because that's the most recent harvest.  Olive variety, freshness and the standards of the manufacturer matter a lot more to me than country of origin. 

That was good service, but they should have taken your word for it back in June--they don't know you like we do. 

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Reply by Mike Madaio, Jan 22.

I must have missed the part where it said age didn't matter. That is obviously not true. However the 2013 Italian vintage isnt widely available stateside yet, so the 2012 is still in play, and these Santoros are showing well.

i do agree that freshness etc is more important than COO. Much of the stuff marked Italian is Spanish or Tunisian anyway.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Jan 22.

Time for an olive oil throwdown!

Really, I've been tasting and reading and it's almost as fun and complex as wine.  It sounds like a hellish amount of work for a product that  people just don't want to pay a fair price for. So then we get what we deserve.  Luckily, I live in an area where you can grow olives and get just about anything in an artisanal version. If we don't get some rain, probably olives are the only thing we'll harvest this year.

I've mentioned elsewhere that my father worked for a company that built centrifuges and that they tried to get into the wine business.  While he was working for them back east, he was offered a job at Alfa Laval's US headquarters in Fort Lee, NJ.  He turned it down because they were a relatively small player in the US and couldn't pay enough to make it worth changing jobs.  I was sort of bummed because this was the late '70s and real estate in NYC was relatively cheap in historic terms (everyone was worried about NYC going bankrupt), so we could have bought a place on the Upper West and he could have reverse-commuted.  I really wanted to live in NYC at the time; we lived in Boston, which I have no affinity for at all.  Now I am sorry he didn't take the job because they are the big player in EVOO (and non-EV OO).  Word: Old stone presses are relics and "cold pressed" means nothing. 

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Reply by Mike Madaio, Jan 22.

I'm sorry, but... you have no affinity for Boston? Do you hate puppies too? And I helped you experience Rome. Shame.

 

 

 

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Jan 22.

I'll p.m. you about it...


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