GDP on Wine

Snooth User: Gregory Dal Piaz

Drink anything good this weekend?

Original post by Gregory Dal Piaz, Feb 13, 2012.

Sadly I did Not.


I had a busy weekend that involved wine, but sadly that was mostly inventorying, packing, and moving wine around the state of NY! Got about a dozen cases moved closer to home, so now I'm pretty well set for the next few months of drinking!


Next bottle up looks like it might very well be 1987 Dunn Napa Valley. Funny how Dunn was on the backburner until recently. Nothing really changed witht he wines, but a new California Critic 'discovered' Dunn so he's popular again.


Anyway, that was a lie, first up are a dozen 1979 Barolos on Wednesday night!

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Reply by JonDerry, Feb 22, 2012.

Fox, that IGT sounds like a great find, thanks for mentioning.

I'm also in the market for a can't miss Barolo.

Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Feb 23, 2012.

We all love what we see as reasonably priced wines. I'm lucky in that I get to taste a ton of wine, and the truth is some $10 wine is pretty darm good, but when I taste those wines I can't but think of the intent of those wines. Thy're supposed to taste good today.

Nothing wrong with that, but lots of folks sort of look down on wines without ageing potential as somehow innately inferior. I recently tried the Tamas zinfandel, which seems to have gotten more expensive as it now sells right around or above $10 a bottle while I remember it as a $7.99 special. Whatever the price, it's a delightful wine. Fresh, fruity without being frooty, balanced and recognizable as Zin while showing the kind of restraint that make me want to drink a bottle and bring it to the dinner table.

I'm set to taste sangiovese based wines over the coming weeks and I'm sure I'll find a couple that similarly fit this profile. I love it when that happens!

Jon - Barolo to drink today? Young or aged? Price?

Reply by jamessulis, Feb 23, 2012.

Fox, great idea to use Abbots table for grilling as the pairing would be awesome.

Things good here in Pac NW, where I am just across the Columbia from Portland it almost never snows with temps rarely below 40 at night.............however it does rain, but no need to shovel it. If theres a desire for snow, Mt. Hood is an hour away. Also elevations above 1,000 feet are great for cross country tracking.

Reply by Richard Foxall, Feb 23, 2012.

Yeah, GdP, a can't miss Barolo that I can open before I am too senile to operate the corkscrew... one for now, one for 5 years out, one for 10 would be good.  Sounds like an article to me.

Speaking of Nebbiolo, I had the LA Cetto Nebbiolo from Mexico the other day.  Been meaning to post a thread about it.  Not bad at all, but I don't think a whole lot of cellar time is in its future.  The second day it was falling apart (after a night under VacuVin).  Have you had it, GdP, and how would you rate it for typicity?  Compare it to Italian nebbioli, either Barolo or other?

Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Feb 23, 2012.

I haven't had teh LA Cetto for about 5 year. I thought it was among the best of the New World examples I've tasted. Would love to try it again.

Ok this is going to come as no surprise but the best Barolo on the market today that offers good early accessability are those from Burlotto.  Monvigliero is an iconic wine, really great stuff. The Cannubi precise and the Aclivi the most open and gentle of the three.

You know what, that might actually coma as a surprise since it's in the $5000 cellar, which I've written already but just realised isn't to be published until next week!



Reply by JonDerry, Feb 23, 2012.


Looking for Barolo or Barbaresco 5 - 10 years old, something I can drink in the next 2-5 years.

Something aged I can drink now or in the short term would be good also.

Thanks, and let me know when you get to that 2008 Terry Hoage Syrah!

Reply by zufrieden, Feb 23, 2012.

I always drink something good on the weekend.  Whether it is memorable in the historical sense may be another thing, but I try to share what memorable moments there are with my fellow wine aficionados.  Tonight  for example(not a weekend, admittedly) I watched the Vancouver Canucks defeat the Detroit Red Wings 4-3 in a shoot-out (great game) and celebrated by downing two bottles of Alsace and Tyrolean white wines with the appopriately gemuetlche company...

Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Feb 24, 2012.

What was the Tyrolean wine Zuf?

Reply by napagirl68, Feb 26, 2012.

I had a great wine on Friday....  En Garde Winery RRV 2009 Rose of Pinot....  strawberries, roses, but with that nice, faint Pinot barnyard on the nose.   Rose in Feb?   It was pushing 78F here that afternoon :-)

Reply by outthere, Feb 27, 2012.

I know what you mean NG. We popped one of these last night an it was sooo good we popped another.

Reply by JonDerry, Feb 27, 2012.

Had some great wines this weekend...

1989 Montrose -

1995 Ridge Monte Bello -

2002 Vieux Chateau Certan -

2009 Villa Creek Avenger -

The Montrose was probably the best and most fun to drink, though the Villa Creek Avenger was pretty awesome too. Have to say the 1995 Ridge brought up the rear in the pleasure category, nice bordeaux-esque nose, but the fruit was dying and the palate was mostly dominated by water and acid.

Reply by duncan 906, Feb 27, 2012.

This seems to be a forum thread that just runs and runs.Which weekend are we now talking about?This weekend just gone I had to work on the Saturday and on the Sunday I went out for the day with the girlfriend but as I had to drive I did not drink.Today Monday however was a day off so I decided to open my bottle of Collioure I bought two weekends ago and mentioned on this thread with my dinner and I have to say it is a lovely wine.During the afternoon I visited a gentleman in Sussex who usually sells wine he has obtained from house clearances through the website and bought some more wine off him including a 1990 La Vivier du Pavell Margaux which will probably be the next bottle of red wine I drink and,of course ,review for Snooth.

Reply by Kyle Graynor, Feb 27, 2012.

This weekend I made the mistake of not letting a wine breathe. I had a 2003 Puelles Rioja Gran Reserva and, in my inexperience, I starting drinking it the moment I poured - big mistake. While it wasn't too tannic, it was just very strong. After waiting a few hours it opened up beautifully, with much softer tannins and more prominent fruit that I've grown to love from Rioja!

Reply by Richard Foxall, Feb 27, 2012.

Huge welcome back to NG, I haven't seen any posts for a while!

I began what I think of as FTi: Drink More Cabernet.  There will be  a thread as soon as I finish this.

We drank, on Friday night , Feb 24, a bottle of Graff Family Vineyard Grenache 2007, which we loved.  My nephew and his g/f came over and they had PN the night before, so we decided to try the grenache with the roast chicken.  Really classic grenache, strawberry and musk, just a little bitter finish that cleared up with air.  This got better and better as we drank it.  Knowing it would not be enough, I opened a Creve Couer Cotes du Rhone 2010, purch'd from Garagiste, where Rimmerman is championing this estate.  Also delicious, a little more obvious and forward than the GFV.

Saturday, after I finished off the Creve Couer, I opened a bottle of Buehler Cab 2008.  This wine got 90 points from RP and was available for about $16 here and there--seemingly a huge deal for Napa Cab.  I had earlier given it a generous 89 points on another website, but even a little more time in the bottle and the green flavor was now masked by smoother tannins.  Still fresh and balanced.  We had it with spaghetti and meatballs and, while not ideal for a tomato based sauce, it did fine.  (Not a perfect pairing but see the FTi thread for an explanation.)

Sunday I finished the Buehler while running the grill--shivering in the really cool evening--and opened a bottle of Franciscan Cab 2007. This got a whopping 94 from Wine Enthusiast... whose inflation of scores continues.  Haven't finished it (how much do you think I can drink, even with the wife's help?), but so far, so good, if not 94 (94!) points good.  Had it with Korean style beef short ribs--still not a perfect pairing (the Creve Couer would have been good, I think), but it's part of the FTi, again.

I've got a bottle of rose in the fridge (Barber's Kitten with a Whip Syrah, just because), and almost pulled it out at lunch on Saturday, but there were things to do.

Not a bad weekend in all--and I look forward to Friday even more now because of the presence of this thread.


Reply by EMark, Feb 27, 2012.

I think we should all do more to support Buehler's VERY reasonable pricing.  They have a good product, and they fight hard against the Napa Valley Cabernet inflation (AKA gouging).  They have different Cabernet bottlings.  I have found the Napa Valley bottling for $16 as Fox indicates, but I've even found their "Estate" bottling for under $30 (albeit, barely).

Looking forward to more details on the FTi.


Reply by Richard Foxall, Feb 27, 2012.

duncan906, must review that '90 bordo.  Lots of interest on that one.

kyle, that's a good lesson.  and a good reason to open the first bottle at about 3 p.m.!  You can always put the cork back in for a bit.

Reply by jbeagle, Feb 27, 2012.

Glad to see I wasnt the only one to enjoy rose this weekend; Guigal Cote de Rhone with salmon.

Reply by JonDerry, Feb 28, 2012.

Yes, always good to see NG posting, and the weather's definitely been warm enough for a Rose.

I remember being impressed with the smoothness of Buehler's Cabernet, though it's been so many years i'll have to try it again. Kind of feel like that winery's in a time warp somehow.

Reply by Giacomo Pevere, Feb 28, 2012.

@Jon,a about Barbaresco you can't find nothing with same quality for price value of "Produttori del Barbaresco", base wine is around 17€ here and reserves are 24€, just relesed 2007 vintage reserves from 9 different cru. 2006 no reserve wines, that mean all grapes are gone to the base wine. You can easily find 2005 reserves for a good price. Base can be well aged for some years, reserves 10-15 years easily (i still have a 1999 magnum of Ovello cru, 100/100 vintage).


@GdP, sorry i answer only now but i had some busy days (with a couple of nice tastings), i have tasted of Tarlant only Vigne d'Or, Brut Zero and Vigne d'Antan but only the last one recently. I have find a shop who sell all the Tarlant product, i think i'm going to taste soon the others.

Reply by dmcker, Feb 28, 2012.

Giacomo, as it turns out I had a 2006 PdB Barbaresco last night (and it's not even the weekend)! Originally ran across their Langhe Nebbiolo from that year from the same source and got a case of it for a friend on a budget. He was putting on an impromptu BBQ on the rooftop of his apartment building on a beautiful sunny day after it had snowed the day before. The LN was *quite* good and was all drunk up by the crew (who'd started with a bit of cava, too, so a good time was had by all with grilled seafood and sausages and shiitake mushrooms and leeks and ginko nuts and ribs). So when I saw the Barbaresco in the shop I picked up half a case. First one last night. Really quite lovely already, hinting redfruit (esp. sour cherries, which I love, though I sensed they're a ways away from making their full appearance), almost-there wafts of leather and smoked meat, tarry tannins that will I'm confident in saying balance out over time, but definitely will improve with age. Fortunately I had the sense to open it three hours ahead. Went well with some leftover lambshanks with tomato in the sauce that we hadn't finished over the weekend, and polenta. Did better than a bottle each of a Chilean syrah and Aussie shiraz the first time around with the dish.




Jon, just saw that Montrose has risen the most in price of any Bordeaux recently. Should've bought some a year ago to sell sometime during 2012! That PR machine shifts from house to house as necessary to keep the wheels of Bordelaise commerce churning.  ;-)

And outthere, the whole reason for my post was having to wipe the Pavlovian saliva off my chin when I saw your bottle of AR rose! Any chance of sending some over here? Though I suppose I should wonder if there's any chance you have any left...   ____all chance of sourcing any within Tokyo.  ;-(

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