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Does Wine Make You Over-Weight?

Posted by JonDerry, Jul 7, 2014.

Interesting read from Wine Folly

A couple of the topics here should make for interesting discussion.

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Reply by dvogler, Jul 7, 2014.

Haha, you edited the title to be more "sensitive".

Wine doesn't make one fat.  One's choices make one fat.  Okay, except those who have a glandular problem.  I'm more passionate about this issue because of our healthcare system helping people who constantly make poor choices regarding their health and fitness.  The average person does zero beneficial exercise.  It's simple math.  Calories in-calories expended.  If there's a surplus, it becomes fat.  I admit I'm a freak of nature fitness-wise and I don't think everyone should be an athlete.  I do however, wish people would realize that their body is the best thing they have in life and that it needs to be taken care of.  Our bodies were designed to labour.  Exercise is the best medicine for most ailments (next to wine).

If you're over-weight, then get serious about doing some exercise, starting small (five to ten minutes a day).

 

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Reply by GregT, Jul 7, 2014.

Once again I'm nodding in agreement. Just got done biking home, now to change and go for my run and then the gym. I'd be 900 pounds if I didn't do that.

But frankly, this is ridiculous:

". . .a bottle of wine is not a single serving."

Really? According to whom? So I'm supposed to have two or three bottles for my "single" serving? No way I could keep up with that.

No thank you. I'll just stick to the tried and true. Moderate consumption is the way to go.

Single person, single bottle.

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Reply by dvogler, Jul 7, 2014.

Jesus Greg...what are you?  A triathlete?  :)

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Reply by JonDerry, Jul 7, 2014.

I've been making more of an effort to get some exercise in lately. Makes wine drinking that much better, and hammers home the moderation thing.

The point on digestion and when best to drink got me interested, first I've heard of it.

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Reply by dmcker, Jul 7, 2014.

"If you’re 140 pounds or under, you should stick to just one drink and only 2 if you’re over that weight."

So what if you're a 6'3" 220lb mountain climber? Two drinks?

Who are the yahoos who cobble together such articles by committee, and decide it's important to publish 'responsibly'? I've never respected non-bylined pieces in any medium.

 

We all know what the right amount of drinking is, when we face up to ourselves. And those of us stuck too long at desks who aren't staying in shape cannot blame it on wine.

As cannabis legalization spreads, wonder what sort of articles we'll be seeing on sites like that for the mj crowd, perhaps even 'Ganjooth'??   ;-)

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Reply by outthere, Jul 7, 2014.

Ganjooth! Yah Mon!

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Reply by JonDerry, Jul 7, 2014.

Seems all the low hanging fruit has been expressly devoured...good work gang. 

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Reply by dvogler, Jul 8, 2014.

I'm a bottom-feeder  :)

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Reply by EMark, Jul 8, 2014.

Single person, single bottle.

I am so all over that idea.  Obviously, being married, I am bound by the corollary:

  • Married person, two bottles.
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Reply by outthere, Jul 8, 2014.

I'd rather be fat than not have my wine. ;)

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Jul 8, 2014.

Okay, keep in mind that for GregT who is like 6'4" tall, a bottle is not a whole lot.  Spread out over three hours, it's a piece of cake. 

Wine is empty calories, but so is dessert, or an extra slice of bread and butter, or mindless eating of any sort.  I did drink less when I exercised more, mostly because I needed more hyrdation and fell asleep before I could finish a bottle.  Most of us can afford some empty calories, and I get mine from wine.  You just can't have it all.

DV, I don't think the moral hazard argument leads Canadians to make bad health choices.  Your southern neighbors take even less care of themselves, and our healthcare costs us dearly every time we go to a doctor or buy a prescription.  In fact, Kaiser, which most resembles Canada's system in the US, with low co-pays and the like, does a lot more to encourage good health in the first place than the rest of the US system, and with some success.  Problem is that most wealthy societies seem to be gaining weight--they don't need to labor as much and they see endless streams of advertising encouraging them to succumb to any kind of instant gratification. 

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Reply by dmcker, Jul 8, 2014.

Okay, keep in mind that for GregT who is like 6'4" tall, a bottle is not a whole lot.  Spread out over three hours, it's a piece of cake.

So what, he drinks his wine with cake, following Marie Antoinette's recco? I must again bow down to him, which is natural anyway since i'm only 6'3".  ;-)

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Reply by dvogler, Jul 9, 2014.

Fox, I agree.  I'm not sure of statistics on obesity in US v. Canada, but I'm sure it's similar, generally.

On the west coast, I think we're more likely to do outdoor fitness activity year-round versus the rest of the country.

Balance in life is a good policy.  Being sedentary is not good.  Over-eating is not good, unless you require it for your caloric output.  (My wife and my grocery bill is $1000 per month, mostly me).  On the nights I ride, I actually don't want wine after.  On the weekend or Wednesday night, wine is fantastic. A bottle on the weekend is okay with me (and I'm 5'7 130lbs).

I seldom eat desert, but when I'm in the States, I'll get a quart of Baskin-Robbins rocky road and eat it all in one go.  I'm going to try and not drink too much at OT's Syrah event. 

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Reply by outthere, Jul 9, 2014.

"I'm going to try and not drink too much at OT's Syrah event."

I'll make sure I have plenty of food for you then. Sounds like you could use to add a few lbs. ;)

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Jul 10, 2014.

Y'know, Vogler, you were talking about testosterone overflow at OT's shindig, but you might literally be half the man he is.  However, I expect that, as a plumber, your grip might be equally crushing.  That'll be a handshake to watch.

Now, here's another interesting study: What I got from their little wheel is that not drinking compared to drinking moderately made virtually NO difference.  Even drinking heavily didn't make a big difference if you didn't smoke.  And keep in mind that this is a European study, where they probably define moderate as a few drinks a day, as opposed to the US where it's a few drinks a week.  I eat fruit, I'm more than moderately active, and I don't smoke.  So, if I'm in those categories at 75, I'm going to live long enough to drink aged Nebbiolo from my own vineyard, assuming I get started pretty soon.

 

 

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Reply by Really Big Al, Jul 10, 2014.

Nice posting there Richard.  I couldn't count the number of characters but it must be way over a thousand.  Anyway, since I haven't read the article yet, it's not fair for me to comment.  I just wanted everyone to know that I'm still alive and drinking a 2010 Muirwood Cabernet Sauvignon right now.  It's pretty tasty after washing some dishes.  :-)

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Reply by Really Big Al, Jul 10, 2014.

Now that I've read the short article, I found this comment to the article very interesting:

Did the author do even basic research into anything that has to do with health? This article is so full of inaccurate information it's going to hurt people. Please do everyone a favor and consult a nutritionist before creating fantasy like this.

Here's what's wrong (as a freebe): First, calories don't exist - they are a measure of heat.

Second, wine contains large numbers of carbs. All carbs are digested the same because of the chemistry of what a carb is. That's basic physiology. It does not cause the blood sugar to drop, it causes it to go up. This increase without the accompanying fat to stimulate the hormone ghrelin causes hunger.

As a Doctor, Nutritionist, and Metabolic Specialist, I've never heard of the 3-step process. That is a work of fiction. Alcohol is metabolized in a near 40 step process in the liver.

I only hope that my liver can sort through all the misinformation and digest my food and wine in the appropriate manner.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Jul 10, 2014.

Okay, that was strange.  I cut a graphic and pasted it in there from the article.  When I looked at it in editing mode, it was fine.  Then I came back to the page and the thing was gibberish.  Anyway, the article I linked to has the same graphic. I've taken it out here.  Thanks for that heads-up.

RBA, what's the quote from?  I'll admit that I didn't read the article about whether wine makes you fat.  Of course it's processed as a carbohydrate. 

Also, the quote gets something wrong.  A calorie is NOT a "measure of heat," it's a unit of energy that equates nicely to heat, as it's the amount of energy required to raise the temperature one gram of water by one degree C. And when we talk about calories in food, we are generally talking kilocalories.  2200 calories of the small kind would be a totally insufficient diet.  So this Doctor apparently skipped physics and chemistry--but doctors do have this tendency to talk sloppily and still act like they know it all.  A Calorie, I repeat, is NOT a measure of heat.  That's called a degree. 

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Jul 10, 2014.

RBA--I saw that quote was from the comments section of the article. And I got curious about the other statements because (well, because I am wasting time, but also...) the comment that a calorie doesn't exist and is a measure of heat was such a clunker.  (!! You're an engineer, how could you let that pass?!)

Also utterly wrong, as a quick check of the literature showed me:  Wine contains only as many carbs as it has residual sugar.  Alcohol is NOT a carbohydrate.  Nor is it processed the same--it breaks down into acetate, not carbon dioxide. And, according to the British diabetes website and a host of others, it DOES cause a dip in blood sugar because it blocks the liver's production of glucose.  Kind of life and death info for a diabetic, so I suspect they got that right.  And I confirmed in on a number of other sights as well.  In fact, I was so amazed that this "doctor" got so much wrong that I did the unthinkable and responded to her comment at the bottom of the article. 

Okay, now to figure out whether the good effects of resveratrol outweigh the bad effects of argninine in wine when you have shingles!

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Reply by Really Big Al, Jul 10, 2014.

Being a retired engineer, I let a lot of things pass now.  I'm hip to a calorie being the energy to raise the temperature 1 degree C of one gram of water.  I was an electrical engineer, not a mechanical or chemical engineer.  If the guy was talking smack about microprocessors, I would nail him to the cross.

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