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Snooth User: Eric Guido

Cotes du Rhone: The good, the bad and the pancake syrup.

Original post by Eric Guido, Jun 15, 2012.

Everywhere I turn, I see people talking about 2010 in the Rhone (both north and south).  Lately, I've been on a mission to taste a lot of these wines and so far I've found some good, some bad and some that really would be better poured over pancakes.  In some cases, I've agreed with some of the wines being pushed by the "wine critic illuminati".  One of those wines, which is great juice, and an awesome value is the 2010 Michel Gassier's Cercius.  At $12 - $13, I challenge you to find a more all-around pleasing wine.  I have seriously not put this in front of a single person that didn't like it.  Is it a 94 point wine--NO!  But it sure is delicious.

With that said, I was hoping that my fellow snoothers could turn me on to some more excellent value wines from the Rhone, and it doesn't have to be Cotes du Rhone.  I showed you mine, now show me yours...


Maybe we can build a cooperative Rhone value list.

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Reply by zufrieden, Jun 27, 2012.

The Syrah examples will vary by vintage in this climate zone, but I will give this a think and get back to you.  I don't want to work from currently unavailable vintages.

Reply by zufrieden, Jul 1, 2012.

I have a number of prejudices but you could try the Seattle links such as


Opinions in this magazine do not drift too far afield from those I hold myself.


Z (M).

Reply by JonDerry, Jul 5, 2012.

While the Gigondas light bulb hasn't gone off yet, the St. Joseph's may have gone off for me recently. Went through the TASTE lineup at Wine House last week, and this 2009 JL Chave - St. Joseph Offerus really jumped out at me. Bought a few bottles for birthday gifts and a couple for myself, the first of which I opened yesterday, and it impressed yet again.

Ready to drink now, this shows dense red berry fruits, along with the slight meatiness, and forest floor freshness you'd expect from a nice syrah. What really stands out here though is the medium to long, puckering finish. $25 retail at Wine House, though looks like it ranges from $25 - 30. A clear step up from the Equinoxe IMO, Recommended!


Reply by Terence Pang, Sep 21, 2012.

Isn't it International Grenache Day today? Thought I'd add to this thread, in descending order of Grenache (I think; please point out any factual errors).

AUD$20. Domaine de Marcoux wines are biodynamically produced and exude elegance that is befitting the Armenier sisters who run the operation. Intense scarlet/ruby colour, lifted savoury nose of black pepper, black cherry and hint of strawberry essence. Smooth velvet texture, dry full-bodied wine with incredible acidity that cleanses the mouth. Clean pure fruit flavours of dark berries and cherry, moderate tannin load that impart a dry powdery finish. 14% alc. A good quality wine with interesting characteristics, good value for money. Drink now – 2017.


AUD$28. The entry level label for the more expressive Cairanne Cotes du Rhone Villages wines from l’Oratoire St Martin. The winery operates biodynamically and has plantings of Grenache, Mourvedre and Syrah. The 2010 Cotes du Rhone is a 80/20 blend of Grenache and Syrah from 30 year old vines planted on limestone and clay soils. Intense black ruby colour, it has youthful smoky strawberry aromas on a weighter core of blackcurrant and raspberry. Silky texture, dry full-bodied wine with rich dense dark berry flavours. 14.5% alc. Plenty of acid that prevents the palate from tiring out from the fruit weight, fine tannins which have started to resolve and aren’t too much of a hindrance now. Very nice wine that can still be cellared for a couple more years. Drink 2015 – 2020.


AUD$20.  Saint Cosme is probably more famous for their Gigondas and Grenache wines but the Cotes du Rhone is 100% syrah from Vinsobres and La Garde which marries fruit born to red clay and sandy limestone. Intense back ruby colour, with a complex aromatic profile of blackberry, used espresso grains and savoury hint of curry powder / curry leaf.  Smooth velvet texture, a full-bodied wine with high acidity that is partially hidden by plush flavours of blackberry, black currant, hint of anise and minerality. Tannins are soft and even, resulting in a long tapering finish. Drink now – 2017.


Reply by Eric Guido, Sep 21, 2012.

Nice, I love the Saint Cosme CdR.  The other two I'll have to look out for.  I find the biggest problem with this thread is that there is so much CdR that it's often hard to find the ones that are being recommended. 

Reply by JonDerry, Sep 30, 2012.

2010 Domaine de la Janasse CdP tonight...found it for $46 at a local retailer to see if I wanted to cellar any, and found I got what I paid for, a very good and complex wine, though not sure it had the tannins to support the 15.5% ABV. Plenty of freshness, taste, and quite a complex nose. If anything, I'm really curious at just how favorably the Vielles Vignes compares, but just wish this was a bit more restrained.

Reply by Richard Foxall, Oct 1, 2012.

Oratoire St. Martin used to be imported by North Berkeley Wines and could be purchased from their website, but I can't find it on there for the 2010 vintage.  Hmm.  Doesn't help you much in NYC. 

Of course, with the thousands upon thousands of wineries just in Europe, it's often hard to find things people recommend.  EG, I keep a list of your Brunelli picks and GdP's Baroli just in case I run across something, but it gets frustrating.  And then there's those bottles you get when you are in Europe that no one imports at all... and you just want to shake your fist at the shelves. 

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