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Snooth User: Eric Guido

Cotes du Rhone: The good, the bad and the pancake syrup.

Original post by Eric Guido, Jun 15, 2012.

Everywhere I turn, I see people talking about 2010 in the Rhone (both north and south).  Lately, I've been on a mission to taste a lot of these wines and so far I've found some good, some bad and some that really would be better poured over pancakes.  In some cases, I've agreed with some of the wines being pushed by the "wine critic illuminati".  One of those wines, which is great juice, and an awesome value is the 2010 Michel Gassier's Cercius.  At $12 - $13, I challenge you to find a more all-around pleasing wine.  I have seriously not put this in front of a single person that didn't like it.  Is it a 94 point wine--NO!  But it sure is delicious.

With that said, I was hoping that my fellow snoothers could turn me on to some more excellent value wines from the Rhone, and it doesn't have to be Cotes du Rhone.  I showed you mine, now show me yours...

 

Maybe we can build a cooperative Rhone value list.

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Reply by JonDerry, Jun 18, 2012.

Thanks for the heads up on domaine des lises st. joseph Fox...good to have a Rhone group think going on. A region I've neglected filled with killer values in spots. Anyway, looks like good community ratings from the Des Lises St. Joseph 2008 and the 2010 received a 90 from ST - FWIW.

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Reply by Eric Guido, Jun 18, 2012.

I'll check out the CdR from St Cosme on my next trip to the local shops.  As for tonight, I opened up the 2010 Lavau Gigondas and it was a great bottle of juice.  It reminded me of all the things I love about Gigondas, which I find to be very different from most S. Rhones. 

 

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Jun 18, 2012.

EG, I had a really good Gigondas at Teatro Zinzanni right before it went on hiatus.  I'm wondering if it was that one.  With a good Gigondas, I can still smell it the next day in the back of my nasal passage.  One of my favorites, too.

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Reply by Eric Guido, Jun 19, 2012.

Foxall "With a good Gigondas, I can still smell it the next day in the back of my nasal passage"

Very well said!

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Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Jun 19, 2012.

I wish someone would make a list so it's easy to track things like this.

 

Oh wait.

 

http://www.snooth.com/list/c-tes-du-rhone/2774/

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Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Jun 19, 2012.

I could even share the login credentials with you guys and you could add additional wines, or update these with tasting notes or opinions!

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Reply by zinfandel1, Jun 19, 2012.

Eric

I haven't had any Coie du Rhone wines for a while but I seem to remember one by Kermit Lynch that was pretty good and was in the $12.00 range. Easy drinking and fairly consistant from vintage to vintage.

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Reply by Eric Guido, Jun 19, 2012.

You just beat me to it Greg. I was hoping we'd get a solid ten and then I'd make the list, but this works.  Can you set me up to update it as the topic grows?

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Reply by JonDerry, Jun 20, 2012.

This is not a 2010, but only because my local shop (Hi Time) didn't have any 10's other than real basic entry level 10's, trying to sell their 09's and 08's in store. They had one CdP for $40.00, CLOS DE L'ORATOIRE the one with the christmas colors, anyone ever try this producer?

Anyway, with you guys talking Gigondas, I was going to pick up the 2010 St. Cosme Gigondas, but settled on this 09' that seemed by all accounts to be very good. I've been hesitant about Gigondas ever since trying my first one over a year ago that tasted like over-ripe, bitter fruits, like prunes or something I didn't wan't to drink. I liked this Domaine du Crayon better, but it still left me puzzled, where's the pleasure? Plenty of soil in the mix and the acids seemed reasonable, both good things, but the oak overpowered the fruit, and I struggled to taste what fruit was there. Got plenty of bitterness, which didn't change much over the hour or so it was open. Oh well, 0/2 still have a couple at bats left, I assume.

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Reply by outthere, Jun 20, 2012.

 I liked this Domaine du Crayon better, but it still left me puzzled, where's the pleasure?

Domaine du Crayon, they offer every color in the spectrum, was it the Crayola vineyard? ;-)

Next time you are at HiTime ask for Veronica.

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Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Jun 20, 2012.

Ha! I had dinner with veronica on Friday last week. Great wine geekess!

 

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Jun 20, 2012.

That's too much for L'Oratoire, which is available at Safeway. WineSearcher shows it available for $32-40, but Safeway with the 6 bottle club discount has had it in the low 20s.  I've never pulled the trigger because it's sold at Safeway, but WineMine has had it on occasion, and I have enjoyed the Cotes du Rhone from Ogier (the negociant who makes it) that comes in a squat bottle at Trader Joe's (about $6), which is partly deappellated CdP that's left over from this. 

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Reply by shsim, Jun 20, 2012.

Yea, that is a little much for CLOS DE L'ORATOIRE. I just got it at vons (6 bottles 30% discount and 10% on top) for 24. I havent tried anything from this producer but was looking for a CdP. Hmm the Vons I went to actually had a pretty decent selection. They had Gaja and other high end wines nicely displayed in a huge wine fridge and locked. Haha I thought that was funny.

 

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Jun 20, 2012.

shsim, California has long led the way in allowing supermarkets to sell wine and spirits with no restrictions on pricing. (Unlike Ohio--gotta get my new friend on board here to explain that.) Some stores really make the most of the opportunity and, with modern inventory and sales tracking, the chains can direct the stock into stores where it will sell. To some extent it has favored consolidation in the business at the expense of the smaller entrepreneur, but it's brought wine consciousness to a higher level, and it means that, if I'm in a decently drinking town and don't know where the wine shop is, or don't have time, I can still get something pretty decent.  And, with my club card, get a decent price.  Of course, now that I know Snoothers literally all over the world, I hope never to be far from a cellar with good wine!

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Reply by shsim, Jun 20, 2012.

yeay Snoothers! Hopefully more will get on board in San Diego! And haha Crayola vineyard? I think of rows of colourful grapes.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Jun 20, 2012.

Oh, the relationship of Ogiers to Clos L'Oratoire des Papes (there's a L'Oratoire in Bordeaux, too) is here. Apparently they make a house label for BBR.

Oddly, Crayola colors do not refer to wine names.  Not even a burgundy or "wine red."  Could be because it's not really a reference point for kids  But neither is cerulean.

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Reply by JonDerry, Jun 20, 2012.

See what you started here OT?

This thread had been rocking steady...and as you can see I've taken to your Photo + TN formula.

Will make sure to ask for Veronica, seems like a popular lady! I've probably talked to her a few times already, go there all the time.

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Reply by outthere, Jun 20, 2012.

Veronica is a Rock Star.

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Reply by zufrieden, Jun 22, 2012.

I have been out of circulation for a few days, but am impressed by the conversation.  It is good to know that the interest is there - that when you put something out there - like a recommendation or an opinion, it is seriously considered for digestion.

I am a fan of certain wine regions and their interpretations of the the Syrah, Grenache and Mourvedre grapes for the simple reason that these grapes (and their said regions) are accessible to persons of a wider variety of income levels.  That may reveal something a bit more "deep", but that will be what it may.

By the way, on the subject of Rhone Rangers, I would like to pluck the chords of Spinifex Wines as (IMHO) the best example of Euro-expression in Oz.  In Canada, I would recommend certain other wines in the same vein, but the supply is meager and I would not want to go too far astray in the way of tangents. Those of you who would venture where no one has gone before, however, might want to sample Syrah from Washington State and the lower Okanagan Valley of British Columbia.  Some of these wines are definitely worthy of serious consideration ( I would say world class but this word couplet has become a bit overused) - including some from the  Lake Chelan region (I will test one of these latter shortly for you).

BTW, digress as your spirit moves you.

Cheers!

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Reply by Eric Guido, Jun 23, 2012.

I'm looking forward to hearing about the Lake Chelan wine.

Could you recommend something good and affordable from Washington State?  I also have interest in these wines but find it hard to get good recommendations.



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