Wine Talk

Snooth User: shawkes

concord, niagra, seneca

Posted by shawkes, Jul 23, 2012.

I would like to gather others opinions as to whether they think that a serious wine could be made from these grapes. Do you think that an expert wine maker could make a serious wine using these grapes. Or are they just to be considered table grapes.  My question is : Can a serious wine be made with table grapes?


Reply by JonDerry, Jul 23, 2012.

It's possible given the right soil, climate, farming, and wine-making. All of these factors matter much more than the grape variety (type of grape), though the soil/climate also needs to be suited to the variety in most cases.

Problem is, if you wanted to start a project like this now and fertile soil in an ideal climate and you have the farming and wine-making sources, it would take a number of years for the vines to mature enough to yield high quality fruit. 

Reply by GregT, Jul 23, 2012.

I kind of agree but a lot rides on the terms "expert" winemaker and "serious" wine. 

Until one makes wine from those grapes, he or she isn't an expert.  Expertise in other countries with other grapes doesn't always translate.

There is wine made from Niagara - and some think it's "serious", so there you are.

I would doubt that Concord can make anything drinkable. It's pretty vile to me as juice and as jelly and I think wine would be undrinkable.  Sweet and no acidity - ugh.

Don't forget, people made wine from native N. American grapes for a while in the 16, 17, and 1800s.  Anyhow, if you're interested, here's a link that talks about recent harvests of various grapes around the Great Lake Region.

Reply by jtryka, Jul 23, 2012.

I am embarrassed to admit it, but I like Welch's...

Reply by OzWinery, Jul 24, 2012.

Niagara and Concord can both make delicious wines. A serious winemaker knows how to balance sweetness and acidity to make a serious wine. We make a (Behind the Screen) Concord wine that, yes, is grapey and semi-sweet, but pairs deliciously with sweet & spicy meatballs, or for dessert try a milk chocolate-peanutbutter combo!

The (Kansas in the Rear View Mirror) Niagara we make here is also a semi-sweet wine, but depending on the harvest has been even known to produce a bouquet that is both fruity and has an incredibly interesting aroma our customers often compare to petrol! This is not negative, but common for the grape. We recommend light, white meat dishes (Thanksgiving dinner is perfect) or fruit-pastry desserts with this wine.

Both of these are American grapes and also often produce a wine we can only describe as 'foxy.'  Google that one to learn more...


Reply by shsim, Jul 24, 2012.

Hey nothing to be embarrassed about there! :) 

I have only tried concord grape wine and I enjoyed it. It tasted like juice but with a kick! It would be difficult to compare it to the mainstream wine made from vitis vinifera. Perhaps vitis labrusca should be put into a new category, like other delicious fruit wines.

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