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Cellar Records

Posted by 1 jayjay, Oct 6, 2011.

So how do you keep your cellar records

do you keep them on the computer if so which software do you use, a note book or journal or perhaps a scrap of paper or do you just enjoy sorting in the wine rake???

just out of interest .

i use a note book and a scrap of paper pinned to the wall

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Reply by EMark, Oct 6, 2011.

Excel spreadsheet does it for me. 

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Oct 6, 2011.

I use another website for my cellar records.  If I could find a good way to mirror them here, I would probably do that, but I keep this window open to comment, and that one for inventory.  I post reviews here of wines I have at restaurants or get as gifts, but the majority of my tasting notes are over at CT. It's super easy to use, accessible from my Android phone, and allows me to print wine lists and spread sheets.  You can upload from Excel, too, although I never do--it's easier and faster to just do it from the computer or phone to CT.

I don't use the same handle there, though.

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Reply by dmcker, Oct 6, 2011.

So I take it not too many people use the oldskool leather-bound binder housing vellum sheets with longhand notations using a fountain pen, sitting on a table in the center of the cellar next to a candleabra any more?  ;-)

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Oct 6, 2011.

Oh, yes, the one attended by the elegant woman in a ball gown and long gloves.  That, too, of course, the CT thing is just for convenience when I'm traveling. Of course, you need special ink that can handle the elevated humidity and the cooler temperature.  ;-)

D, you kill me.

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Reply by JonDerry, Oct 7, 2011.

D, that sounds a little bit like my parent's dining table, and to think I still have access to that setting with a 50 year old book, "The Joy of Wine" within reach. 

Well, Fox, what's the handle on CT?

I've been meaning to e-mail EL about the possibility of changing my name on there while keeping my notes, but for now i'm ghost_ride

The fact that i'm able to access CT on my mobile is probably the only reason I still have a blackberry.

 

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Oct 7, 2011.

You can access CT very easily on just about any device.

My handle is Not647f--a reference to my profession. The cellar is open for public viewing.

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Reply by JonDerry, Oct 7, 2011.

As evidenced by my Blackberry being able to access it!

 

Cool, i'll check it out when I get a chance...

 

 

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Reply by dmcker, Oct 7, 2011.

So Jon, you guys eat in a wine cellar? Cool! 

Hope not to much garlic is served with frequency... ;-)

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Reply by Lucha Vino, Oct 8, 2011.

I use Cellar Tracker too.  I have the same handle and I am pretty sure you can change your handle on your profile there without any special request.

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Reply by JonDerry, Oct 8, 2011.

D, not usually but why not?!  Haven't seen my own CT profile in some time, funny that...

Fox, I just went through your CA notes, very well done.

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Reply by JonDerry, Oct 8, 2011.

vello, very interesting...out of nearly 200 north american wines rated, only a quilcedas creek was able to crack 90 points.

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Reply by dmcker, Oct 8, 2011.

Vello, totally off on a tangent, but was wondering if your luchadores interest was initially piqued by el santo (a la 'santo vs. the vampire women'). My first memorable encounter was with mil mascaras....

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Oct 8, 2011.

JD: I'm finding that it's hard to use a meaningful points scale.  I'll check out your stuff soon.  Proud to say I have two whole followers on CT! I had no idea until I looked to see if my profile allowed folks to see my "cellar." I just use it for my convenience, to remember what I have under the house, since I can't easily check that, and I find the "drinking window" a decent guideline, as its often provided by the winery. Some of the reviews are pretty good, but I find the points as useless as any other point system, probably more so.

Alas, a few of my bottles were consumed without any notes and I actually can't remember them. At least two Barberas and probably three. Weird that it's mostly that variety.  I'm actually wondering if a babysitter or housecleaner nicked them, as I think there's one Syrah missing, too, and they were all inside the house and in the same place.  No idea what they were like or when I drank them, which is unlike me.

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Reply by JonDerry, Oct 8, 2011.

Yeah, it all seems like pretty diligent work Fox, that's one of the thing that sticks out about your notes, inventory, etc. On scoring the wines, it's always difficult putting what you think of a wine into a number, but I like numbers and the precariousness of rating them. Definitely feel like i've made mistakes with some ratings in the past, and appreciate the ability to edit them here on Snooth.  FWIW, your ratings seem pretty on point with the wines you're drinking. 

I pretty much go by the standard 100 pt. scale, with 90 outstanding, 95 classic. Since I don't focus on wines far below 90 points, I also don't think enough about how to differentiate wines that may be in the 70's or low 80's, it seems less relevant anyway.  86+ is an enjoyable wine, 85 seems to be about average in the way most people score now. I'm sure my scoring will continue to evolve...when you drink a consistent quality of wine your rating scale can feel like 5 or 10 points instead of 100.

It seems like Parker got tired of not utilizing the higher reaches of the 100 point scale himself and just started rating wines he loved 100 points even though they really might now be, and wines he liked at 90+.  He's probably on something like a 103 point scale. You have to wonder about stuff like Payola for some critic's ratings. Parker's Wine Advocate definitely smells like they've been involved in that kind of stuff, and i'm skeptical of some others too.  Always try to look for a consensus among critics or respectable folks on CT to help me decide on wines unknown to me.

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Reply by dmcker, Oct 8, 2011.

Yeah, I've found CT points ratings to be absurd to irrelevance.

Was a good thread on value of point ratings something like two years ago in this forum. If I weren't just going to bed I might actually search for it....

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Oct 8, 2011.

Wine Buddy #1 (swimmie1 on CT, I think, but he's not up to date) said that 100 point scales are really 12 point scales.

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Reply by dmcker, Oct 9, 2011.

Here's that thread I mentioned above. It's a long but good one, and warrants reading, though I think it doesn't even touch on the CT passel of issues.

http://www.snooth.com/talk/topic/are-scores-getting-higher/

 

Beyond that thread there are scores more that touch on ratings approaches, but the following two are some of the better ones:

http://www.snooth.com/talk/topic/wine-scoring-methodologies/

http://www.snooth.com/talk/topic/price-score-ratio-formula-for-wines/

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Reply by zufrieden, Oct 9, 2011.

This may be a mistake as I age, but memory has worked for me.  And Snooth has a record of the past 2 or 3 years of select tastings...

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Reply by JonDerry, Oct 9, 2011.

Thanks D...I'd agree with a lot of the points made on the recent threat started by EG. The 100 pt. scale has bascially become something of a 16 point scale (85-100), with the option of rating something lower, but the wines that don't score at least an 85 are irrelevant anyway, so who cares?

The 20 point scale is about the same thing, when you consider the vast majority of wines are scored between 12-19.5, and with the use of half points, it's basically the same range, but without the thresholds of 90, 95, etc.

The 10 pt range used here on Snooth is a different ballgame. If I had to guess, two stars is equivalent to 80-85, 2.5 stars is around 85. 3 stars, 85+, 3.5 stars 88+, 4 stars 90+, 4.5 stars 95+, 5 stars = 99-100

As far as the critics, you need to know their tendencies to adjust for the raw number. 

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Reply by Lucha Vino, Oct 10, 2011.

JD - My scores on CT could be a real good example of why the 100 point system doesn't really work.  I go by the CT ranges of scores and in the past 6-12 months I think I have scored a lot of wines in the 86-89 range meaning very good to excellent.

My scores could also reflect my relative newness to wine.  I could be rating things as excellent that should really be outstanding.  Who knows?  I feel like something should blow my mind to get into that outstanding range.  I'm not sure I have had anything like that yet.  Maybe because I have a hard time pulling the trigger on a bottle of wine that costs more than $30.  There I am showing my bias and assumptions that a wine has to be expensive to score hight points...

Your number system for the Snooth Stars (wine glasses?) looks pretty good to me.

D - Not sure where my luchador inspiration comes from.  It could be my Filipino in-laws.  My father in law really loved wrestling - WWF (now WWE) and of course the Latino wrestling shows.

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