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Cabs RULE!

Posted by YellowCab, Aug 22, 2010.

Yes, that is really me in the profile pic. P90X!

Anyway, I just found out that I like wine. Who knew? I like Cabs the most. 

Drop me a note and say HI!

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Reply by napagirl68, Aug 23, 2010.

HI!   I am partial to CA cabs.. specifically Howell mtn and Stags leap district cabs (Napa Valley, CA)

Welcome to snooth!

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Aug 23, 2010.

If you are looking for anything from Australia let me know and I will try and help

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Reply by YellowCab, Aug 23, 2010.

HI napagirl68 and Stephen!

On Wednesday, I'll have the opportunity to try the Cabs below. Does anything stand out? Good or bad?

Cabernet Sauvignon
Guenoc ~ California 
Louis Martini ~ Napa Valley
Joel Gott ~ California 
“St. Francis” Wild Oak ~ Sonoma 
Frog’s Leap ~ Napa Valley
Silver Oak ~ Alexander Valley
Caymus ~ Napa Valley

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Reply by YellowCab, Aug 23, 2010.

Stephen, 

The only Australian Cab I have tried is Little Boomey, South Australia. I liked it very much. 

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Reply by napagirl68, Aug 23, 2010.

I have had wine from most of the wineries you mentioned over the years...  but haven't had any from those in awhile that I can comment on.  Frog's Leap used to have a good zin, if you like zin. 

That should be a good tasting.  Let us know what you think about them...

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Aug 23, 2010.

Yellowcab

Can't help on the list and have never tried Little Boomey - from the Orange [name of town] region in New South Wales

Depending where you are [whats available] and style preferences

Try

Wynns Cabernet Sauvignon - Coonawarra [90,91,96,98,04,05,06] AUD 25-30

They also do  more expensive version called John Riddoch [same vintages + 86] AUD75

Bowen Estate is a very good small owner operator from Coonawarra [90, 96,98,05,06,08] - AUD30

Cullen and Moss Wood from Margaret River are stunning but over AUD100 per bottle avoid 06, 98,99,00,05 are excellent

Mount Mary from Yarra is the best Bordeaux Blend but around AUD150 - most vintages good

Penfolds Bin 407 [AUD40] 96,98,05

Penfolds Bin 707[AUD150] 86,90,91,96,98,04,05,06

Happy to give advice if you find any in your area

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Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Aug 23, 2010.

Where you at Stephen?

 

So many wines to choose. Much Bordeaux of course is predominantly Cab, and there are varietal examples from all over, South Africa, Chile, Cali, Italy, Australia, new Zealand - all have produced lovely examples worthy of trying.

 

Among the wines you list a have sentimental attachement to the guenoc, though I haven't had a recent version.

 

Frog's leap and Caymus are very well known and fairly good wines, I prefer the Frog's leap.

 

The Silve Oak is quite divisive, but can be delicious.

 

Let us know what you think of them!

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Aug 23, 2010.

I have 2 California Cabs from my visit to the US in 02/03

Unfortunately as I now know from the Snooth community being from the 98 Vintage I may not be getting a great example

I have

Caymus and Fays Stags Leap

What should I expect from the 98 versions of these wines?

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Reply by dmcker, Aug 23, 2010.

Pretty representative Napa cabs, Stephen, with very strong names from the '80s on for the Caymus and the '70s on for the Stag's Leap. I'll be curious to hear from you on what you think after you pop their corks. You could definitely do worse than those if you only have two from California.

YC, you have some well known names with a bit of range in reputation in your list, but all should be interesting. Will look forward to hearing what you have to say about them.  I used to drink a lot of the Louis Martini back in the late '70s through the early '90s when even their cabs were under $10 a bottle. Great QPR, I thought then, and better than very many costing two or three times as much. They've gone through an ownership change since then and for various reasons I haven't had any in a while. Personally I like the Caymus more than the Silver Oak, but both have given me pleasure over the years, even if I'm drinking no SO and relatively little Caymus in recent years. Mixed results for me from the Guenoc and Frog's Leap cabs, although I've drunk a lot of other Guenoc varietals from up Lake County way.

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Aug 23, 2010.

Is Napa 98 as bad as I read on the Snooth Forums?

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Reply by dmcker, Aug 23, 2010.

Depending on the winery, '98 is one of my favorite vintages from the '90s--nowadays, anyway, and from a producer where the winemaker knew what he or she was doing.

'98 followed on '97, which was announced by the Parkers and WSs as the vintage of the century. Guess what? Fruit was huge and in many cases overripe, and yield was high. '98 started with some El Nino nastiness, and bud break was problematic. Weather issues continued, and staff in the vineyard had to work hard, as later did the blenders. Yield was low. Wine journalists and critics jumped to hasty conclusions and slammed the vintage. Then, and since then, '98 product became difficult to move.

Strangely, if you taste, say, a '97 against a '98 of Mondavi's Reserve Cab, which I did a year or so ago, you might just see that the '97 is now hollow and has lost a dimension or two, while the '98 has evolved into a delightful, nuanced wine. It's probably near its peak now, though, unlike the larger '99 and 2001 which I also drank at the time. A Dominus '98 which I had a little later was also just plain lovely. I haven't had a Caymus or Stag's Leap from that vintage in the past five years.

Since I love the joys that good aged wine, Bordeaux blends or otherwise, can bring to the table and palate, this is just one more reason to lament the trend in recent years towards wines with huge, easily-appreciable-early-on fruit. They just have no staying power (nor are they usually that interesting to start with, anyway). And of course you know what they say about how wine's always better when the grapes have to work harder.

So I'd say there's nothing wrong with '98s in Napa in general, especially since the market thinks otherwise and prices are thus relatively lower. I wouldn't hold onto those bottles for another decade or two, but you could be in for a very pleasant surprise when you open them before that...

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Aug 24, 2010.

Will let you when I open one - might be soon now you have me curious

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Aug 24, 2010.

Can I get an opinion on these wines from the US

also what blend would the Pride be

Dalle Vale 1997 Napa Cabernet Sauvignon

Switchback Ridge Cabernet Sauvignon Peterson Family VIneyard 2002

Pride Vineyards Claret Reserve 2002 Proprietors Blend

Pride Vineyards Claret Reserve 1997 Proprietors Blend

Thanks

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Reply by dmcker, Aug 24, 2010.

I haven't had enough Pride (in the hills west of and above St. Helena) nor Dalla Valle (on a plateau just slightly above Oakville) to comment with sufficient intelligence nor authority. What I have had presented overbearing fruit and not as much complexity as I like, especially considering the prices required for purchase. Again, I may have missed the right versions or vintages, because many people love those labels and they definitely fall within the Cult category.

From Dalla Valle's homepage: "Wines made from Dalla Valle Vineyards are pure unbridled expressions of fruit at its most powerful and concentrated. These wines are of immense stature and richness with well-integrated tannin and acidity." I'll agree with the first sentence. I've had their cab and their 'Maya' blend. Perversely, I probably like the latter (a more St. Emilionish attempt with hefty amounts of cabernet franc in the blend) better. The bouquet fills the room quite sensuously when you  pop the cork. It drinks too hot for my taste, though, and I really wonder about its aging capacity.

From Pride's website: "Our aim is to make big red wines on the black-fruit side of the ripeness spectrum that nonetheless maintain balance, nuance, and complexity. We want our wines to be approachable in their youth, yet to age beneficially for ten to fifteen years. How best to achieve these goals is something we continue to experiment with in small lot trials." The last sentence is an honest admission, I think. I guess the difference in attitude between this quote and the one above from Dalla Valle is why I hold out more hope for Pride over the longer term.

Perhaps GregDP or someone else having more experience with these labels might step in here? Eric Guido isn't showing up on these boards so much recently, but I know he likes Pride a lot...

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Aug 24, 2010.

Any comment on the Switchback Ridge?

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Aug 24, 2010.

Some more to consider - these are available from BP Wines so I can get them sent to Aust to try

Caymus Special Selection Cabernet Sauvignon 1997

Arietta Proprietary Red H Block Hudson Vineyard 2002

Robert Foley Vineyards Claret 2004

La Sirena Cabernet Sauvignon Napa Valley 2003

Thanks

 

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Aug 24, 2010.

 

 

 

 

 

ARGYLE WINERY Dry Reserve Riesling, Willamette Valley 

 

1989

ARGYLE WINERY Dry Reserve Riesling, Willamette Valley

 

1989

ARGYLE WINERY Dry Reserve Riesling, Willamette Valley

 

1989

AU BON CLIMAT Chardonnay, Santa Barbara

 

1997

AU BON CLIMAT La Bauge Au-dessus Pinot Noir, Santa Barbara

 

2005

AU BON CLIMAT La Bauge Au-dessus Pinot Noir, Santa Barbara

 

2005

AU BON CLIMAT Le Bouge Chardonnay, Santa Maria Valley

 

1998

BENZIGER Imagery Series International Blend, Sonoma

   

CLOS DUVAL WINE CO Cabernet Sauvignon, Napa Valley

 

1980

DOMINUS ESTATE Estate Bottled Cabernets, Napa Valley

 

2002

DOMINUS ESTATE Estate Bottled Cabernets, Napa Valley

 

2003

NEWTON Unfiltered Cabernet Sauvignon, Napa Valley

 

2002

OPUS ONE Cabernet Blend, Napa Valley

 

1995

OPUS ONE Cabernet Blend, Napa Valley

 

1997

ROBERT MONDAVI Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Napa Valley

 

1990

SINE QUA NON Hate Labels Syrah, Central Coast

 

2007

SINE QUA NON Raven No.3 Shiraz, Central Coast

 

2006

STAG'S LEAP WINE CELLARS Fay Cabernet Sauvignon, Napa Valley

 

1991

STAG'S LEAP WINE CELLARS Fay Cabernet Sauvignon, Napa Valley

 

1991

This is my latest available US wines At auction

Any recommendations in this lot

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Reply by dmcker, Aug 24, 2010.

Regarding the auction bottles, I would be very curious about how the Dominus (which I usually like very much) has aged over the past 30 years. How much info can you get about the provenance? I'm also curious what kind of prices Au Bon Climat garners in your neck of the wood. They are a very interesting winery doing chards and pinots from close to my hometown in the Santa Barbara area. Sine Quan Non is acutally in my home town and worth a shout even if it's a larger style, though the price can be ridiculous. We've discussed Stag's Leap and Opus One (which I haven't found to age all that well past 15 years or so unless the cellaring is impeccable--I had an '82 last year, that went straight from the winery to my own cellar, that was still kicking; I don't think newer versions would last that long even at the bottom of the sea, though). I don't view Clos du Val in the same league.

Regarding the four from BPWine, the '97 Caymus should be a no-brainer for a comparison with your '98, even if the '97 is a Special Selection.

I can provide more commentary on the others, but I haven't drunk much of them, really, and it'd really by great to see both of the Gregs, Eric and others chime in here.

Finaly, here's a quote from John Gilman's 'View from the Cellar' review in Issue 7 on a Pride bottle. I doubt the winery posts it on its website, though I certainly understand where he's coming from.

2001 Pride Mountain Cabernet Franc

This borderline-undrinkable swill at least provided the service of making the 2001 Havens Bourriquot [which he gave a 79 rating] look a bit better. That it did. This is grotesque jam juice raised to the level of nightmare. The steroid-like nose of plum and dark berry preserves, chocolate and raw new oak is offensive in its utter contempt for the taster. On the palate the wine is fat, dumb and simple, with nothing but pumped up fruit and way too much new oak at least adding a bit of structure by completely drying out the finish. Crass and soulless, not to mention still-born. 55

One man's opinion, on one particular bottle of one particular vintage. But succinctly put and telling? Refreshing to see that level of honesty, too--possible because he's supported by subscribers, not advertising.

 

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Reply by outthere, Aug 24, 2010.

Any comment on the Switchback Ridge?

I'm a huge Switchback Ridge fan. I have their Cabs and Petite Sirahs in my cellar. Robert Foley makes wines that land right in my wheelhouse and the '02 SB Cab is a GREAT wine. Only had the opportunity to drink 1 bottle. Last summer I think. It's hitting on all cylinders right now but still has the legs to hang on a for a few more years. I have various SB cabs from 99 to 06 still laying in wait. Ready for a special evening. If you have the opportunity to purchase one I would say jump on it.

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Reply by outthere, Aug 24, 2010.

Your SQN's are puzzling. Labels was only made in 2007 and Raven was a 2006 vintage. SQN was founded in 1994 so an older vintage is not possible. They made hundreds of labels over the years and rarely the same from vintage to vintage.

Huge cult following. Huge wines.

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