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Snooth User: Gregory Dal Piaz

Cabernet Virtual Tasting tonight at 9:30 EST

Original post by Gregory Dal Piaz, Nov 5, 2010.

I've started a new thread since the other is too damn long.

Wines I'll be tasting tonight include

2007 Jim Barry Cover Drive

2004 Penfolds Bin 407

2008 Chappellet Mountain Cuvee, would have much rather tried the 2007 again!

2006 Ormes de Pez

I'll be broadcasting on the uStream channel

And maybe we can work out a better chat option as well.

See you all later.




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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Nov 5, 2010.

Sadly my Ormes is slightly corked

Reply by dmcker, Nov 5, 2010.

Stephen, I'm liking the '07 chappellet as much deeper and taller than the '04 Bin 407.

Much better value, and a better win IMHO.

Not an austere vs dry issue, since I like the Bin 407 and its solid breadth....


Try to get on UStream chat!

Reply by Stephen Harvey, Nov 5, 2010.

CHecked Ormes and the pain of cork has struck again

Reply by Lucha Vino, Nov 5, 2010.

Stephen - Are you able to get on the Ustream Chat?


Reply by Stephen Harvey, Nov 5, 2010.

My next dinner on 19th November




Roederer Cristal 2002




03 Orlando Steingarten

04 Pewsey Vale Contours

? German or Alsation


Bordeaux White Blend {sem/sav/muscadelle}


06 Mount Mary Triolet

07 Cullen

05 Chateau Monbousquet Grand Cru Blanc




02 Domaine Armand Rousseau Clos St Jaques Premier Cru

07 Felton Road Block 5

07 Bass Phillip Premium


Cabernet Blends


00 Chateau Monbousquet Grand Cru Rouge – St Emillon

00 Cullen Cabernet Merlot

98 Petaluma Coonanwarra




96 Penfolds Kalimna Block 42

82 Chateau Leoville Las Cases St Julien

97 Caymus Special Selection Cabernet Sauvignon Npa Valley




97 Chateau D’Yquem




DOW'S Silver Jubilee Vintage Port, Oporto 1977

Reply by Stephen Harvey, Nov 5, 2010.

What price Chappellet

Reply by Lucha Vino, Nov 5, 2010.

I got the Chappellet 08 for 23 USD, I think that is what it was...

Have you had the Penfold's Koonunga Hills 76?

Reply by Stephen Harvey, Nov 5, 2010.


I will sign out and next time I will get Skype loaded properly


Reply by dmcker, Nov 6, 2010.

You can find the Chappellet in CA for just under $20 sometimes. 

A little better on the tech side, but we still need to tighten that up a bit, and get meeting times coordinated better. More use of Skype would seem judicial.


Reply by Stephen Harvey, Nov 9, 2010.


Enjoyed the experience again, just finding the technology a little frustrating at my end.

I have discussed it with my online team and a couple of the young guys who have a passion for all things digital and vineous are happy to try and hepl find a solution and test it out if you want

Unfortunately I had to sign out earlier than expected as I got a call from my fearless leader to pick up our 14yo from ballet

To summarise the wines at my end

Ormes de Pez - Corked - man that annoys me!!!!

Chappellet - Could not get any, usual US wine deficiency in Aust - more annoyance

08 Jim Barry Cover Drive - Good quaffing wine and probably one of the better from this label, I agree that it was a bit plummy and stewed fruit which is typical of a lot of wine from a very hot 08 vintage here.  I think it delivers about par for its price point usually around $15 and does show reasonable varietal cabernet flavours.  The lower price cabs over here are often not the best and we tend to produce a lot better shiraz/cabernet blends at that price

04 Penfolds Bin 407 - I have never been a great fan of Bin 407 and I sometimes think it gets a bit lost in the Penfolds Red Wine hierachy.  The 2004 should have been a better wine based on the fruit quality out of the 2004 vintage, I initially thought it was a typical Bin 407 with the vanilla extract from the American Oak dominating the Cabernet fruit, but it tended not to improve in the glass and I had another glass on Saturday night and was surprised that it did not show the usual depth of a wine that is sold in the $25-35 range.  It confirmed my opinion that this wine is underperforming its price point and survives on the overall Penfolds reputation.


Reply by Stephen Harvey, Nov 9, 2010.


The Koonunga Hill 76 is a very good wine at its price point - usually at about $15.

The 76 is a commemoration wine celebrating the first Koonunga Hill in 1976 and started with the 2006 Vintage.

The wine is a great example of what we can do with the Shiraz/Cabernet Blend and I know from inside Penfolds that this wine probably gets allocated better fruit than its price point would suggest

Whats your opinion of the wine

Reply by Lucha Vino, Nov 11, 2010.

Hi Stephen,

I liked the Penfold's 76.  And am finding that I like the Cab/Shiraz Australian blends over the 100% varietals like Cabernet Sauvignon or Shiraz.  Here is a link to my review.


Reply by Stephen Harvey, Nov 11, 2010.


It is what we do best.  If you get a chance my favourites are:

Penfolds Bin 389 - 86,90,91,96***,98**,99,02,04,06

Yalumba Signature - 90,91,96*,98*,02,04**,05*,06

Jacobs Creek Johann - 01,02,04

Rockfords Rod n Spur - 04,06

The standard Koonunga Hill is a great quaffer and is usually smooth and eay to drink - no frills but competent and often sub $10

Yalumba do a Scribbler which is a very good quaffer but more around $15

Penfolds do some Special Bins, one is a Coonawarra Cabenet, Barossa Shiraz Blend is usually numbered Bin Yr A eg Bin 90A, and the other is a Coonawarra Cabernet, Coonawarra Shiraz Blend and is nubered using some strange three digit number where the first digit represents the decade, eg Bin 920 was a 90 Vintage.

One of these, the Bin 60A was listed by Decanter Magazine as one of the 10 wines to drink before you die.



Price (July 2004)

Chateau Mouton Rothschild


£3,500 per bottle

Chateau d'Yquem


£1,375 per bottle

Chateau Latour


£2,833 per bottle

Domaine de la Romanee Conti, Richebourg


£1,000 per bottle

Domaine de la Tache


£1,250 per bottle

Huet S.A., Le Haut Lieu, Moelleux, Vouvray


£ 800 per magnum

Penfold's Bin 60A


£500 per bottle

Chateau Pichon Longueville Comtesse de Lalande


£166 per bottle

Domaine de la Romanee Conti, Montrachet


£1,500 per bottle

Jean-Louis Chave, Cuvêe Cathelin Hermitage


£900 per bottle

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