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Bottle Sizes

Posted by anstett, Jun 11, 2011.

I did not want to create a zombie thread here...

But I do have a question on odd ball bottle sizes.

I recently purchased an Australian Merlot (Little Roo) that while 750 ml is in a significantly smaller bottle than the traditional bottle I am familiar with.

The only difference in the bottle that I can tell is it does not have the Punt in the bottom of the bottle. The width is normal. The bottle does have an 'eco-glass' mention on it saying lighter glass.

How wide spread is this? How many different bottle sizes are there (for the 750 ml bottles)?


Just curious on a warm summer night.




Reply by GregT, Jun 12, 2011.

Sounds like what you're describing is just a very cheap bottle.  Doesn't mean anything is wrong with it - as long as it holds wine it's OK w me.  But some people object to an expensive wine in a cheap bottle. 

Most likely the punt is a remnant of earlier glass-making when it was pretty hard to make a glass with a completely flat surface. And it's not necessarily desireable to have a completely flat bottom. Even today, if you look at most jars in a supermarket, there's not really a completely flat bottom - most of them have a very slight indentation.  That actually helps with stability - a small crumb or piece of something is more likely to render a completely flat surface unstable. 

The punt also provides more options for the designers - they can make the bottle longer, have a higher shoulder, or come up with some other design twist.  Supposedly it also makes the bottle stronger, although I don't quite understand that. I think it would be realy hard to count the number of bottle sizes and shapes that there are for 750s.  That 750 standard is very recent BTW - like less than 50 years.  But even w/in that, you can pretty much do what you want. Some bottles are squared, some have crooked necks, some are frosted, some are squat, some use double the glass and they are super heavy, some are long and narrow - the Germans and Italians seem to like these.  

Here's some add'l info that explains why it's increasingly hard to figure out how many shapes there are.  Personally, I wish that every wine came in a "normal" Bordeaux-shaped bottle.  They stack nicely, don't take extra room in the racks, they're convenient, and I really couldn't care less what the bottle looks like as a matter of aesthetics; functionality is far more important.



Reply by dmcker, Jun 12, 2011.

As usual, a good response by Greg.

And anstett, I see no problems whatsoever with 'zombie' threads. I actually prefer that similar subjects continue on in the same threads at whatever intervals. Makes it a lot easier to search for something you remember seeing in the past about a certain subject.... ;-)

Reply by anstett, Jun 12, 2011.

Thanks for the info.

I do agree that what is inside is much more important than what is outside but I noticed this not in the store but when I went to put it in the rack at home.



Reply by duncan 906, Jun 12, 2011.

Bottle shape is not really important as long as the thing holds wine but there are traditions to uphold.Bordeaux usually comes in a bottle with a narrow neck while Borgundy,Beaujolis,and Rhone valley wines usually come in a more pear-shaped bottle.There are exceptions of course,the most famous being Chateau Haut-Brion,First Growth Claret,favourite wine of US President Thomas Jefferson,but comes in a Burgunmdy style bottle.

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