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Best cellar software?

Posted by cookypuss1, Sep 28, 2009.

I'm curious to know what you all are using for cellar software. I'm ready to start shopping! I don't particularly like the UI of CellarTracker, so looking for other suggestions (or why you love CellarTracker so much you could never use anything else!).

I of course want to keep track of my inventory, but also get reminders about what needs to be drunk by when. My hand-written system is getting harder and harder to follow!

I actually think I saw an ad on Snooth for a company and checked them out and like what I saw, but I didn't bookmark it and now I can't find it. Seems like there are lots of offerings out there.

Thanks for any help! :)

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Reply by Philip James, Sep 28, 2009.

Have you tried using Snooth for it? If you click on the "interact" button just under the wine image of any wine, you can check "add to cellar", and then type in how many you own, and where they are stored.

You can also manage, and make changes from the myWines section.

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Reply by cookypuss1, Sep 28, 2009.

I have tinkered around with that function, but it's a little too basic for what I'm looking to do. I need to have a "drink-by" reminder. Plus, for some reason, a lot of what I review on Snooth isn't in the database, so I have to enter the wine manually first and then review it. Will take a lot of time. Are there any enhancements to Snooth's capabilities in the works? :)

Has anyone tried thewinecurators.com? It's only $50, so I might give it a try.

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Reply by dmcker, Sep 29, 2009.

Well, Philip, does sound like something to aim at for Snooth, and perhaps well within reach once you're able to prioritize it. Though, cookypuss1, unfortunately not now.

Here are the features listed for thewinecurators software, v.3.0, on their website at
http://www.thewinecurators.com/PWCm...

--Easily Organize All Your Wine Data
--Unique Aging Potential Calculator
--Wine Maturity Tracker
--Quick Data Entry
--Scan or Make Barcodes and Print Labels
--Access PWC Community - Instantly Import Wine Data - Read Notes from Other Users
--Over 7,500 Food and Wine Pairings
--PC and Mac® Compatible

It seems to me that Snooth could have many advantages over a standalone program like this. More and better wine ratings and food pairings, better mobility/portability, a larger community, better forum, etc. Weren't we even talking in another thread about other aspects of cellar portfolio management, including current market value of the cellared wines? The only inherent advantage to the standalone approach might be in the area of security/privacy.

Finally, cookypuss, 'use-by' dates for wine, given on Snooth and elsewhere, are extremely vague and iffy. Many I've seen are, as I know from personal experience, wrong on both ends, meaning the wine is not yet ready in some cases for the 'from' date, and when cellared well is often still in its prime long after the 'to' date. I've had much more success flying by the seat of my pants, going by my gut, whatever, when it comes to best time to drink...

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Reply by Philip James, Sep 29, 2009.

This is a very helpful thread for us. I want to continue to bat the concept around for a while, collecting feedback and learning what features are most important to people.

Cooky - where do you live? Its strange to hear we are missing that many wines.

So, what are the key features for an application like this? Here's my list, please help and add to it:

- Ability to track inventory
- Record purchase price, location, drinking windows and other attributes by bottle or lot
- Market valuation of inventory, based on current retail price of bottles
- Ability to sort inventory by what must be drunk first, as well as other sorting in general (quantity of each bottle etc)
- Quick way to deplete inventory as its drunk

I'm sure there are many other items, but let me know what else would be required.

Thanks

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Reply by rar8888, Sep 29, 2009.

I agree that snooth currently isn't able to meet my cellar needs. Currently I use a free website manageyourcellar.com. It may not have everything that you are looking for but it does include everything on Philips list as well as a few fun things like a quick way to create a cellar book and your wine drinking statistics.

http://www.manageyourcellar.com/

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Reply by Eric Guido, Sep 29, 2009.

Cellar tracker is great for the truly obsessive compulsive wine collector. If you need analysis, reports of anything to do with wine you can think of then Cellar Tracker is for you. It would be hard for me to spell it out in a message like this but after a day or two of using the software I became addicted and now love it.

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Reply by dmcker, Sep 30, 2009.

So as to concentrate more info in this single thread, here are the 'benefits' that Cellar Tracker advertises at http://www.cellartracker.com/intro.asp

* Participate in a vibrant community of wine enthusiasts: 83,478 users with 14,211,087 bottles
* Browse the world's most complete wine database
* Enjoying the world's largest collection of 1,049,697 free wine reviews from real users
* Manage your wine cellar inventory
* Track the value of your collection
* Learn more about wine
* Anytime, anywhere access from a PDA, mobile phone, or the cool Cor.kz iPhone application!


And here are the features they mention:

Cellar Inventory Management
* Report and search by producer, vintage, varietal, drinkability, etc.
* Purchase price and valuation data (locale settable)
* Consumption history
* Barcode support
* Restaurant-quality printed wine lists
* Per-bottle location & bin tracking
* Personal tasting notes
* Uploadable label images
* Wish lists and shopping lists
* Track pending deliveries (a.k.a futures)
* Premium feature: Automatic valuation of your cellar including data from WineBid.com (read more)
* Express import tools for existing spreadsheets (read more)

Tasting Notes
* Record your own notes
* Group a series of notes into tasting events
* Read community tasting notes
* See what others say about wine in your cellar
* Automated integration with Stephen Tanzer's IWC (for co-subscribers)
* Store other professional reviews and scores (in compliance with copyright)
* Community bulletin board


I don't have their software (or any of the others mentioned above), but have referenced some of the tasting notes they post, on web searches of wines I'm thinking of buying but am not all that familiar with. I also look many other places, too ;-)

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Reply by Philip James, Sep 30, 2009.

Lots of features there, I'm just wondering what people who use Snooth actually need or want in such a product, if we were to build it?

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Reply by rar8888, Sep 30, 2009.

My suggestion is to check out manageyourcellar.com. It is free and has most of the basic features. I am sure that the functionality could be improved but I think this is a good starting place.

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Reply by Eric Guido, Sep 30, 2009.

Thanks dmcker, I was pretty rushed when I left my first message about cellar tracker. Honestly, I think the interface is a bit jarring at first but once you get into it the pros outweigh the cons significantly.

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Reply by dmcker, Sep 30, 2009.

Haven't seen the software on a computer, but judging by their website they do seem a little graphic-arts/user-interface challenged... ;-)

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Reply by Eric Guido, Sep 30, 2009.

Visually. it is very utilitarian, fits the needs of the many without sacrifice, but I think that's why I love it so much. Do I need graphics to keep my cellar organized or do I need a program that works and has yet to fail me? In fact I keep finding new features regularly that I never even realized existed.

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Reply by dmcker, Oct 1, 2009.

Hey, Eric, nothing wrong with software, or other things, that are more attractive and pleasing to the eye, facilitate easier access to functions, and are just-plain easier--and dare I say fun-- to use. UI design is an important part of software engineering, and when they don't get it right I always wonder what else might be a bit backwards.

Sorry, didn't mean to be preachy about something that in this case I haven't even used, but I'm afraid I started flashing back on a number of past skirmishes fought in my professional life... ;-)

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Reply by Eric Guido, Oct 1, 2009.

Don't worry, I didn't think you were being preachy, I just prefer products that are straight to the point.

One other thing I wanted to mention about Cellar tracker is that it's creator, Eric Levine is always easily reachable through e-mail and actually responds to your suggestions and questions.

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Reply by cookypuss1, Oct 6, 2009.

Thanks for all the feedback and discussion! It's appreciated. :)

Phillip, I live in Denver. I admit that I drink predominantly Anderson Valley appellation, which is rather under the radar in the wine world. With my "Hand of Snooth" (thank you for this wonderful power!) I am able to add wines, but also help minimize duplicates, which I tend to find often as well. Not sure if this is just the luck of the draw with what I am drinking?

Eric, I understand that you love Cellar Tracker! I have a few friends that love it, too, but I can't get past the interface. We are in the web 2.0(+) world, and websites with rich functionality and a pleasing interface always win my heart (like Snooth!).

Also, point taken on the "drink-by" dates. It's just nice to have a guideline from the winery if they provide one, especially if you've never tasted it before. Sometimes I'll buy some one-offs online just for fun that I don't know anything about, and it's nice to have a general sense of the style and when I should drink, particularly if I'm not familiar with the varietal.

I'll have a looksie at manageyourcellar, too, but I think that some of Snooth's community would be willing to pay a fee for a nice cellar-tracking feature. At least I would - it would be nice to have everything integrated in one place! :)

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Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Oct 6, 2009.

We are working on it Cookie and that is our goal, to have everything integrated in one place!

Thanks for the support.

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Reply by cookypuss1, Oct 6, 2009.

Awesome - thanks, Philip and Gregory! :)

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Reply by RobUncorked, Oct 6, 2009.

I also currently use Cellar Tracker for managing my inventory. One of the things I like is being able to tag where in your cellar the wine is physically located. This makes counting missing/consumed bottles easy, as well as locating a bottle without having to look through a bunch of other bottles.

However, one thing I would like to add as a suggestion is the ability to manage the inventory from my BlackBerry. Both Snooth and Cellar Tracker do not have this ability (nor does anyone it seems at the moment).

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Reply by MarioRobles, Oct 13, 2009.

I use Winebanq, http://www.winebanq.com/ it is a great program and for about $29 it is great value

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Reply by Jimmy Cocktail, Oct 13, 2009.

One thing I'd like to see is the ability to do ad hoc searches and sorts rather than just four or five canned searches. Being able to do things in software as I want as opposed to being told how I have to do things is very important IMO.

I'd also like to see the ability to track purchase price and current value.

FWIW, I think this is a great idea. I'd also love to see it to be able to be managed from a PDA/iPhone. I know there are folks that have remote cellars that would welcome that functionality.

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