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Snooth User: MarioRobles

Australian Muscat

Posted by MarioRobles, Jan 8, 2009.

Have you tasted Australian Muscat (Fortified)? if so, what are your thought s on this wine? - personally, I think they are among the best wines in the world and a hidden treasure from Down Under...

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Reply by Rodolphe Boulanger, Jan 8, 2009.

I haven't tasted one of the Muscats in a long time, but I am halfway through a bottle of Australian tawny which I am thoroughly enjoying.
http://www.snooth.com/wine/hardys-w...

Australia doesn't send much of its stickies to the states yet...

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Reply by Philip James, Jan 8, 2009.

I just checked through my 1,100 reviews and not one Muscat from Australia - as Rodolphe said, its rare to find an australian desert wine, although, somehow a bunch of the dessert Syrah winds its way over here...

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Reply by MarioRobles, Jan 9, 2009.

Dessert Syrah? it must be exclusively for the American market... I have never seen one in Australia... you sure it is Syrah?
Aussie Muscat it well worth it... the best are from the Rutherglen Region... Brands... Morris and Seppelt...

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Reply by Philip James, Jan 9, 2009.

Mario - check these out: http://www.snooth.com/wines/sparkli...
- Sweet sparkling Syrahs

They are generally pretty "unique" - very thick, gloupy with coffee notes.

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Reply by MarioRobles, Jan 10, 2009.

Ahhhhhhhhh... you mean Sparkling Syrah... well, not exactly a fortified nor a sweet wine... ok ok ok - that's a whole different thing... personally, I do not like them (I am Mexican and not Australian, married an Aussie and live here since 1998); it is an "acquired taste", there are some good ones though...

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Reply by fibo86, Jan 11, 2009.

We do have a fortified shiraz it's from Knappstein and vintage. But as we are not allowed to call it port any more you'll find lots of fortifieds now with the varietal on the label other than calling it port (as port is now only from Portugal although not as strict as the French [yet])

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Reply by Rodolphe Boulanger, Jan 12, 2009.

I believe you can still call your wines whatever you want for the domestic market. However, you can't ship Aussie fortified wines labeled port to the EU.

I don't believe there's been a treaty signed between the EU and Australia (there hasn't been one between the US and EU yet - California producers still make "Port" and "Madeira"), but it could be that many producers are voluntarily switching since
(a) they don't want to have 2 sets of labels
(b) they want to "train" their customers away from the word "port" in case its use is banned in Australia one day.

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Reply by Philip James, Jan 12, 2009.

I think the avoidance of duplicate labels would be the main driver - as Rodolphe says, because so much is exported, particularly for the Eu (British) market, the wines have to adhere to the british laws of labeling.

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Reply by Rodolphe Boulanger, Jan 12, 2009.

Actually, based on my first post in this thread, I don't think much of this stuff is exported. There's a relatively large (but dwindling) market in Australia - after all these sweet wines used to dominate the Australian wine scene until the late 1960s/early 1970s.

There's certainly little in the US and almost none in continental Europe as they have the "real" Port to enjoy. Do you remember seeing a lot of Australian Port style wines for sale in the UK?

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Reply by fibo86, Jan 13, 2009.

Yes, I'm fairly sure we have some sort of agreement with the EU although we still have some producers that call them Ports or produce vintage ports and it's not really a dying breed. As there seems to be a resurge in the younger palate which is understandable. Out of curiosity how many of the Australian fortifieds have you been able to try RB? and which of those did you prefer?

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Reply by Rodolphe Boulanger, Jan 13, 2009.

The only one that I have had recently (last few years) is the Tawny from Hardys.
I have only seen a few brands on the market here in the US. I'll have a look next time I'm in the shop and give you some names.

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Reply by fibo86, Jan 13, 2009.

Cool let me know, what you find as I might be able to help you find a good Australian style out of the names?

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Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Jan 14, 2009.

The Yalumba Museum has always been an affordable favorite but the Rutherglen and Chambers Rosewood are always welcome! It's not a wine I buy often, perhaps once a year, maybe less but I do enjoy them. For my money Australian Stickies compete as the finest values in that tawny style of dessert wine. I frequently recommend them.

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Reply by MarioRobles, Jan 17, 2009.

In Australia, there are two brands that dominate the competitions and palates... Morris and Seppelt;
* Morris Liquor Muscat (around $12 AUD - 375ml)
* Seppelt Classic Rutherglen Muscat ($23 AUD - 750ml)

These Muscats will give you an excellent introduction to this style... one I have not tasted but it has received good wraps is the De Bortoli Black Noble - since De Bortoli makes the BEST sticky in Australia (Noble One) - this is their version of a fortified... I will do my best to taste it... anyone there has tried this one?
Check this review by James Halliday

94 points - "A freakish wine; botrytis semillon aside and aged for many years in barrel; highly aromatic biscuit, treacle and mandarin flavours; long and very fine."
James Halliday, Australian Wine Companion 2008


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