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Anyone tasted new Cornell hybrids?

Posted by dynowine, Jun 12, 2010.

All - I'm curious to know if anyone has tried and analyzed any of the grapes (new or not) from Cornell University?   There is a Finger Lakes Wine festival I'd like to visit, time permitting, see first link.

From Cornell University

Cornell University was/is experimenting with varietals for the region and has come up with interesting hybrids, in 2006 they released three new grapes-'Noiret'™, 'Corot noir'™ and 'Valvin Muscat'™ to address funkiness in cool-climate American hybrids and improve their viability in those regions (hopefully improve taste, too).

'Noiret'™, 'Corot noir'™ and 'Valvin Muscat'™are the seventh, eighth and ninth wine grapes respectively to be released by Cornell University's Experiment Station. 

Previous wine grape releases from Cornell include: 'Melody', 'Horizon', 'Cayuga White' (grown widely throughout New York and beyond), 'Chardonel' (now the number two grape in Missouri), 'Traminette'(quickly gaining in popularity throughout the East), and GR7 (used in red wine blends).





Reply by dynowine, Jun 17, 2010.

Well, this is a lonely post.  Guess the answer is "no".  What does that say about these varietals hmm?

Reply by Carly Wray, Jun 17, 2010.

I haven't tried any of these, but I'm eager to. Oddly, my only recent experimentation with Cornell-generated hybrids has been with the Adirondack Blue and Adirondack Red potatoes. The blues make lovely, incredible gnocchi. Beside the point, perhaps, but still. Recommended.

Reply by shawkes, Jun 17, 2010.

Chardonel and Traminette are planted at many vineyards in Virginia.  When I go to Virginia wine festivals many of the wineries have these varietals for tasting.

Reply by CageyT, Jun 17, 2010.

I live "among" these grapes, and the wineries they call home, on Cayuga Lake in the Finger Lakes.  Glad to see interest in them, and in Finger Lakes wine.  You should definitely come to the Finger Lakes Wine Festival.  Also, either the Cayuga Lake wine trail or the Seneca Lake wine trail are informative and quite scenic.  Have fun!

Reply by dynowine, Jun 17, 2010.

CageyT - how do (any of) these grapes/wines compare in taste and aroma to more familiar wines from places such as France, Australia, or California?

Thanks ...

Reply by CageyT, Jun 20, 2010.

Well, in the "whites" dept., I think we hold our own-- especially in German and Alsatian -style Rieslings- with fantastic Gewurztraminers and relatively dry, lean (not overly-oaked) Chardonnays made more in the style of France than Cali.  I would put these up against just about anything comparable, from anywhere.

In the reds,well, that's a different story.  IMO Cabernet Franc seems to have the most promise for the region-- there are a few wine-makers focused exclusively on reds.  Their efforts will eventually pay off.  For now, the Finger Lakes reds are drinkable but expensive.  The value is just not there--I can get a damn good bottle of French red for 35 bucks- but that's the price of a truly enjoyable, although rather average in the greater scheme of things, red in the Finger Lakes. Still, I spend the bucks often enough in keeping with the locavore thing... hope that helps.

Reply by dynowine, Jun 20, 2010.

CageyT - Thanks for that update.  Just had dinner tonight with a couple originally from Corning NY.  They asserted the same, that the white wines are quite good while the reds (in their memory) are not so good.  I'm sure Cornell will "raise the bar" with its hybrids however.

Reply by CageyT, Jun 20, 2010.

Perhaps Cornell hybrids will save the day... or, wine-makers will learn how to grow grapes and make good wine here- so much new vines and new wine money.  What we need is time.  Not to "dis" Cornell... I work there.

Reply by renaissancewinemaker, Aug 23, 2010.

I have tasted all of them and made wine from most of them.  They all have their merits and shortcomings.  I have a fondness for Cayuga, Traminette and Melody.  Cayuga has been around since the early 1970's and has a firm presence in the Finger Lakes.  Traminette is very much like it's Gewurtztraminer parent, but with better acid profile and balance.  Melody is a very productive vine that makes very good wine, fruity and well balanced. 

Reply by fallbright, Jan 29, 2012.

Yes, We have made and tasted Noiret for 5 years.  The wines exhibit berry and cherry characters often with red cedar, nice tannin balance and almost always a peppery character.  It is one of the best red hybrids we have made.  It can stand on its own as a varietal or as a blend component with other reds hybrids and even viniferas, with our without oak.  We are excited about Noiret.  Marcy from

Reply by Snoother 2104153, Sep 5, 2016.

We are growing both the Corot Noir and the Noiret in Eastern Tennessee. We have made wine from both. The Noiret has a fabulous flavor for fresh eating. The wines we have made thus far are not great on their own but we are blending them with Chambourcin.

Reply by rckr1951, Sep 5, 2016.

Sn2104153 - I take it this is a commercial venture and that you are bottling and selling your product.  I've never heard of these being done in Tennessee, but then again I live in Wisconsin and probably would never have heard of them unless I ran across a post like this.

I looked up all 3.  Do you have pics and data as to availability?  Any major wine tastings that I could look up also.  Thanks and welcome to snooth.

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