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Snooth User: Nancy Hawks Miller

A Propos Cheap Wine

Posted by Nancy Hawks Miller, Mar 9, 2011.

Just saw this article on national brands with the greatest momentum in the market. Cupcake is #1, Menage a Trois (Trinchero) is number 2 and Barefoot is #3. Enjoy!


Reply by Stephen Harvey, Mar 10, 2011.

Given the list is predominantly Californian, do any of my Cali Collegues recommend anything on the list? 

Reply by hhotdog, Mar 11, 2011.


Reply by Girl Drink Drunk, Mar 11, 2011.

I think the whole list is junk, save for the Bogle, whose PS has decent QPR.

Reply by Richard Foxall, Mar 11, 2011.

Actually kind of heartening that Bogle is on the list, as they are still independent--although one of the founders died last month.  The PS is good for the money, as many have said on here.  Some of their other things are worthwhile, too, but not if you have to pay lots of extras to get it in Aus.

Reply by flyingfit, Jan 22, 2014.

I love Menage a Trois, red blend. (Zin, Merlot and Cab blend)   Even  when I learn more, and can appreciate 'better' wines, I'm quite certain, this will still always be a favorite!   I just really like the flavors, very much. 

Reply by GregT, Jan 22, 2014.

Yeah yeah yeah - I bet you just like the name!!

It is a good one though.

Maybe you will keep liking the wine, maybe not, but welcome and continue to explore.

In any event, the list may be a little dated at this point. I will say that the Chateau St Michelle is one of the best values in the US - they got land when it was cheap and they have consistently put out decent wine for many years in all of their brands.

Gallo is bigger and all over the planet these days but not always putting out things as good as CdM. In the 1990s they were trying to move into "better" wines but that didn't really work out for them so they've been concentrating on the $10 - $15 market and doing quite well I should add. They picked up a Spanish brand that was a very good wine and still is. They have holdings in France too. They are very good at putting out a consistently decent product, albeit generally not something to rave about. But there is virtue in the good enough.

Some of the wines on that list are just awful IMO but some of them have headed up a newer category of wine that just exploded over the past 2 years - sweeter reds. Gallo's entry in that has been a huge success - Apothic, which is pretty much undrinkable but I think would definitely be on the list these days.

Gnarly Head Authentic Red, Apothic,and Ménage à Trois are jammy as can be - with residual sugar of around 15 g/L. There are lots of them that you can try if you like that kind of wine - Beringer's Smooth Red, the Double Decker from Wente, Epica from Chile, etc.

None of those are really labeled as sweet however, although they are about as far from the Chateau St Michelle model as you can get. Recognizing that people are actually looking for those wines, some producers just go ahead and label their wines as sweet, like the Jam Jar Sweet Shiraz or Sutter Home's Sweet Red.


Reply by ordway, Jan 23, 2014.

Chateau Ste Michelle is from Washington state and not from California, right?

Reply by GregT, Jan 23, 2014.


Reply by outthere, Jan 23, 2014.

"Just saw this article on National brands with the greatest momentum in the market...."

Not to mention Rex Goliath, Black Box, Woodbridge, Estancia, Toasted. Head, Clos Du Bois etc.. Whom you represent marketing for Constellation Brands. 

Disclaimers should be required -


Reply by GregT, Jan 23, 2014.

Wow. Good catch.

Why do people do that? She could have contributed had she wished to.

I wasn't going to say anything but if she's in marketing, she should learn that although it's derived from the French "à propos de", in English the word is simply apropos,without the accent and it is used as a single word.

Oh well. She was a one-post wonder.

Reply by zufrieden, Jan 24, 2014.

Well, boys, we have built a world where selling is paramount, but guilty consciences abound.  Methinks that is why people do that.

Oh, and Apothic (red or white, but especially the red) is indeed undrinkable.  A bit of a stale thread, this.

Reply by GregT, Jan 25, 2014.

Yeah but it got you out of hiding so it was worth it!

Reply by Richard Foxall, Feb 3, 2014.

Did anyone else before Zuf notice that the original post is from 2011? (I refrained from rejoining the thread when I saw my own post and couldn't remember it--made me realize the thread had come back from its deserved grave.) I suppose that the OP had those clients then, too, but none of us were exactly hawk-eyed.

Reply by GregT, Feb 4, 2014.

Bit of a senior moment Fox?

Reply by Richard Foxall, Feb 4, 2014.

Or I just post way too much, GregT! Oddly, I'm unable to bring up my total number of posts right now, but they weren't all--or many of them--very memorable.  I'm sure many folks on here will be happy to confirm that.  (Starting with some of my best friends, right, OT?)

Reply by TomGreen, Feb 24, 2014.

Cheap but pretty good, was really surprised by their quality, couple of good evening that's for sure, if you want to find more information on this topic visit this site

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