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Snooth User: vidanto

a new scandal in Tuscany

Posted by vidanto, Dec 10, 2009.

Do you remember on last April the bad news about Brunello di Montalcino ?
Well, there is a further step of that bad fact and it is still in Tuscany.
Actually the wineries under the control of the investigators are 42 and the most important wine involved is the Chianti.
In few words, in many and many bottles of Chianti with the official ribbon DOCG, there is not the true Chianti, made with the officialy allowed and reccomended grapes, but different grapes bought in other regions of Italy.
A very sad news, but a true news.

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Reply by penguinoid, Dec 10, 2009.

That's a pity. That sort of thing is only going to damage their reputations in the long run. Any idea how many wineries are involved? And which ones?

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Reply by penguinoid, Dec 10, 2009.

Out of interest, do you have any links to news stories on this? I'm not finding anything on Google at the moment.

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Reply by GhostLemur, Dec 10, 2009.

Ref links would be good. I hope it's like the so called Barolo scandal, in that it ended up after testing to be totally made up. All tests proved all bar one of the vineyards were using 100% Sangiovese as required.

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Reply by dmcker, Dec 10, 2009.

Thanks for the headline, Vidanto, but how about the body of the story? We all have questions and opinions about how large houses are blending and bottling Chianti, but it definitely would be good to hear more detailed, referenced (with pointers to URLs) info about these scandals you refer to. Ideally something in English, though if for whatever reason there isn't anything then at least the legitimate Italian press....

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Reply by Laurapal, Dec 11, 2009.

Hello you lot, sad to deliver this:

http://tg24.sky.it/tg24/cronaca/200...

This was not "news" yesterday in Italy but presumably today the papers and blogs will be full of it.

Please for the record, remember that 42 estates are under investigation (innocent until proven guilty) and according to the net there are 7.000 producers between Chianti and Chianti Classico DOCG. The article does not clarify which wine is investigated and mentions IGTs as well. IGT Toscana as an appellation requires that all grapes be from Tuscany.

This is obviously another terrible blow to Italy's image and wine industry, which all estates and all appellations suffer. It is also a re-exumation of the Brunello scandal - the Sky report shows bottles of Brunello to illustrate the Chianti problem... great.

I will be watching the developments and hope that there is more information soon. It is obvious that DOCG abberrations and bad cellar practice must be investigated and stopped but this sort of reporting is really like punishing the whole class for the behaviour of two kids...

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Reply by dmcker, Dec 11, 2009.

Thanks for the update, Laurapal. Will be back after viewing it, and whatever else I can dig up....

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Reply by dmcker, Dec 11, 2009.

Obviously still breaking news, but what I got from the very brief article you linked, Laurapal, was this:
Seems the Guardia di Finanza di Siena have just busted a passel of Chianti bottlers who've been 'counterfeiting' Chianti by stuffing the bottles with Montepulciano d'Abbruzzo (10billion liters worth, is the figure being bandied initially by the Guardia, with already thousands of bottles seized, 17 individuals and 42 companies under investigation). Not good news for the region, following pretty closely on the Brunello scandal of 2007.

This replacement juice is, of course, very different wine from the Vino Nobile and Rosso di Montepulciano GregDP talks about in his most recent article on his trip to Tuscany.

Will be interested to hear how the story plays out. This would seem to be one reason why many of us have been asking questions about several Chianti blends these days... ;-(

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Reply by dmcker, Dec 11, 2009.

Sorry, 10 *million* liters...

Philip, where's the so-needed edit function?!

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Reply by Laurapal, Dec 11, 2009.

http://aggregator.simplicissimus.it/tag/chianti-scandal/

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Reply by amour, Dec 11, 2009.

NOW EVERYONE WOULD UNDERSTAND WHY I PUT BIG AND BOLD ON MY PROFILE....NOT KEEN ON ITALY!!!!!
BUT, WHAT A PITY!
As long as VIN SANTO is VIN SANTO and GRAPPA is GRAPPA....!!!!
Thanks guys, which brings us to yet another GREAT REASON FOR SNOOTH!!!
CHEERS...CHATEAU MUSAR 1997 (LEBANON)

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Reply by penguinoid, Dec 11, 2009.

Remember, even if it is the case, it's just a small minority out of thousands of producers. No need to tar the rest of them with the same brush.

I wonder why they're using Montepulciano d'Abruzzo? I guess it would make the wine more full-bodied. Am I correct in guessing from what's being said here that this is considered a cheaper/poorer quality wine? The one or two times I've tried it, I remember quite enjoying it. Maybe I was just lucky enough to get a good example.

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Reply by amour, Dec 11, 2009.

THANKS.
I HAVE ALSO, as I said elsewhere on SNOOTH, and on my awesome FACEBOOK...ALL WINE FACEBOOK, (YOU WILL SURELY NOT BE SURPRISED AT THAT!)
DRUNK SOME MOST ENJOYABLE ITALIAN WINES OVER THE YEARS...even as a law student in London and while visiting ITALY in the early 1990's.
KEEP US POSTED...a most intriguing development...or are some of us over reacting?
I do not know! STANDARDS ARE MEANT TO BE MAINTAINED. AS CONSUMERS WE WANT TO KNOW!
Reminds me of the Museum fakes and the PARISIAN MAVERICK CURATOR WHO ACTUALLY CERTIFIED THEM AS ORIGINAL.....they went on show as original work in the USA...at a high entrance fee as well. NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN, we say at times!

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Reply by Kenner, Dec 11, 2009.

Montepulciano d'Abruzzo is a more muscular varietal, while most mid level chianti is thinner, more acidic. A very thin M d'A could stand in for a mediium weight chianti, especially if was blended with some sangiovese/chianti juice.
Taking into consideration that Tuscan wines command a higher price, $ can be made on the substitution.
Every wine type has a range of expression, and there is considerable overlap of intensities and styles.

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Reply by dmcker, Dec 11, 2009.

With all this focus from the authorities on Tuscan wine, can olive oil be far behind?

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Reply by zufrieden, Dec 11, 2009.

Kinda makes you think, don't it? I mean, people make their living pontificating and rapturing about certain wines and what happens? The wine ain't what it claims to be! And no - olive oil is not far behind. Think of the possibilities and who might be involved in scams like this. Where easy money is to be had, well, enough said...

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Reply by vidanto, Dec 12, 2009.

Oh, I was afraid to talk about extravergin olive oil as this is a forum focused on wine. Anyhow, only a small clue: the quantity of olives which grow in only ONE land in Puglia (the area of Andria) is quite larger than the olives which grow in the whole Tuscany region.
A question, now: is well known and on the shelves of many food shops in the world the extravergin olive oil coming from Tuscany or coming from Puglia ?
How it is possible that the extravergin olive oil made in Tuscany is available anywhen and anywhere ?

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Reply by dmcker, Dec 12, 2009.

Another question regarding wine, olives, whatever. If the financial police (call them Treasury or Feds or whatever makes this nationwide, somewhat elite group of law enforcers seem more familiar) nail a certain sized group of people, whether 17, 42, what have you, how many people and organizations are actually doing the same thing but not getting caught this time around? Hiding things from the authorities, over a range of contexts, isn't exactly a rare occurrence in Italy....

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Reply by zufrieden, Dec 12, 2009.

Abidance in wine and food laws depends to a great extent on a general sense of responsibility to the greater community. That sense of responsibility appears to have a price. When the price is too high, there are, I fear, few buyers...

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Reply by zufrieden, Dec 12, 2009.

...or perhaps if the price of abidance is too low.

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Reply by cigarman168, Dec 13, 2009.

So what vintage is suffered?

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